Forum: F-16 Procedures

I found out that my previous question (<a href="[Link pending approval]">Radar intercept procedures</a>) was inapropriate. Hopefully this is one that can be answered without violating any clearance issues.

I have noticed that in several sims that model the F-16 the gun sounds are very different, though my question specificly is about two versions of Falcon [Link pending approval]

One of them has a rather straight forward guns sound, the other seems to have a beeping built in to the sound as if as a cue for the pilot of his firing rate or somesuch. Is this accurate?

Hopefully this can be answered.

Thanks.

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Elite 1K Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM Posts: 1496

This site has a great page describing the M61A1. There is actually a sound clip of a cannon firing (from an AD mount, but the same cannon)

Linky: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article5.html

CyberViperDriver, I don't know anything about sims but the firing rate on the gun isn't variable. As to an audible cue to the pilot that the gun is firing, not needed, the gun is loud enough all by itself! Shocked

Fisk

fiskerwad wrote:

CyberViperDriver, I don't know anything about sims but the firing rate on the gun isn't variable. As to an audible cue to the pilot that the gun is firing, not needed, the gun is loud enough all by itself! Shocked

Fisk

Indeed, but when firing supersonic (its allowed if I remember correctly) you would not be able to hear it. and at any considerable airspeed the sound would be lessened by wind noises, soundproofing, and the fact that you are outrunning some of the sound. thing is, I remeber reading an article years ago about this subject but I can't remember what the outcome of it was.

You are confusing the muzzle sound with the associated mechanical sounds - the gun is right behind/beside you, the vibrations are felt through the airframe regardless of airspeed.

whos going to be shooting the gat supersonic?

Elite 1K Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM Posts: 1496

You know... for... uh, supersonic strafing runs! Crazy Pilot

Guysmiley, You mean like this:

Col. Philip W. “Hands” Handley spent 26 years in the Air Force, completed 275 combat missions and logged 7,000 air hours. But historians may remember Handley for a single act. The Air Force credits him with the highest-speed gun kill in aviation history.

On June 2, 1972, then-Maj. Handley was piloting an F-4E Phantom II fighter with 1st Lt. Jack “Karst” Smallwood as his back-seat weapons officer when he shot down a Soviet-designed MiG-19 “Farmer” over North Vietnam using the F-4E’s nose-mounted M61 Vulcan “Gatling” 20mm rotary cannon. The kill was achieved at 1.2 times the speed of sound, 500 feet above the ground.

Link: http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1- ... 012247.php

Elite 1K Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM Posts: 1496

The kill was achieved at 1.2 times the speed of sound, 500 feet above the ground.

Balls. Of. Steel. Crazy Pilot

still applies!

10-4 Didi

Trust me, you know when the gun is firing--practically rattles your feet off the rudder pedals. Doesn't matter if you're above the mach, you don't outrun the sound from within or near the jet (you can still hear the radios when supersonic!!)

The whole 'outrunning the sound' thing is kind of overrated. While the theory is true, you can still hear the engine, gun and all of an aircrafts associated systems when supersonic - pretty much the same as you can at any speed (or so I'm told) as sound travels much more quickly through a solid than through air. Much, if not most of the sound and vibration that is transmitted to the pilot comes through the aircraft's own structure, not from the air.

Mike

Dude
From inside the cockpit shooting the gun sounds like dropping a fork in a garbage disposal. I nearly over G'd the first time i shot it cuz it scared me to death. The real sound wouldn't sound cool in a video game.

And laws of motion are only applicable in a closed, defined, environment. Sound travels just fine through the air inside the cockpit. It is never supersonic inside. I actually convinced a T-38 student that he wouldn't be able to hear me from the back seat on the Torch ride(supersonic run) cuz my sound wouldn't catch him. I can't believe i kept a straight face. (He didn't get fighters Smile

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Freak!!!!!!! wrote:

Dude
From inside the cockpit shooting the gun sounds like dropping a fork in a garbage disposal. I nearly over G'd the first time i shot it cuz it scared me to death. The real sound wouldn't sound cool in a video game.

It's first person descriptions like that that make F-16.net so valuable, thanks Freak!!!!!!!. (Asking my wife whick fork she wouldn't mind 'losing' so I can record the sound for all of the simulator guys out there...)

Mike

You will never outrun the sound, because if you are sitting next to the gun, you are also traveling faster than the speed of sound! Your relative speed with respect to the gun is......zero!

Best Regards,

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