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 Posted: Feb 03, 2004 - 09:22 AM
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Keep in mind I have absolutely no flight experience whatsoever, and maybe my questions will seem a little less stupid.  - Is communicating with a pilot of another F-16 different in a technical way from contacting ATC for example? I guess what I'm asking is can ATC (or anyone else for that matter) monitor cockpit conversations between pilots? I assume they are on different frequencies? What about between the pilot and anyone in the backseat of a D model?
- Is the mic keyed by pressing a button, if so where is it located? Is there a different button to communicate with a backseater?
Basically I have no idea how the communications system works in any aircraft, but particularly the F-16, so if someone could give me a basic overview, I'd appreciate it. |
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Posted: Feb 03, 2004 - 09:30 AM
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Well, the short answer is anybody can listen to anything you transmit provided they have the equipment that can receive and decode it. Now standard comm is done on either the UHF or VHF bands, and can be readily received by many types of receivers, including scanners. Convos between pilots inside the aircraft, like a two-seater cannopt be monitored, because they do no transmit anything. They are strictly intercommunication systems kept internally in the aircraft, ergo intercom.
Mike PTT is on the throttle. Intercoms usually work on VOX, so no button pushing is required. |
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Posted: Feb 03, 2004 - 10:23 AM
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Err, I can help about stupid questions, I have a new one  :
Which frequency is used during combat missions? Does every package use a different frequency? What about "Guard", so: do pilots always listen to "Guard". I only know communications in Falcon4, and I'm not so sure that this part of the sim is very realistic... 
Can you explain to me how pilots precisely manage communications during a mission? |
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Posted: Feb 03, 2004 - 10:56 AM
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Usually VHF is reserved for intraflight comm and UHF is reserved for strike primary, or GCI, or ATC if you are doing admin.
We have a ton of presets for local flying. If we were to deploy somewhere we would probably set new presets the minute we arrived. Sometimes Sapporo will push us to xxx.xx and we just know that it corresponds with one of our presets so flightlead will acnowledge Sapporo on UHF and push the flight to Uniform XX on VHF. Confused? hehe. Usually VHF doesn't change. UHF can change a lot. But like everything else, it depends.
As for monitoring guard, we always monitor UHF guard and never VHF guard. Sometimes if random spooge is coming in over guard we'll turn it off but that is a bad habit pattern for obvious reasons. Too often we get into the habit if hearing an ELT and silencing guard.
If you are anyone other than 'one' you manage comm by shutting the hell up. If you are flight lead, you manage comm by pushing your formation to whatever freq you want them to be on. Preferably not during a BD check staring into the sun, but it happens. |
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Posted: Feb 04, 2004 - 09:16 AM
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| Ok, thanks a lot, STBYGAIN, I get it now. |
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 02:34 AM
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Guard: Navy "common"
"attention on guard.... the Navy is flying..... that is all."
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Posted: Feb 06, 2004 - 05:32 PM
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STBYGAIN wrote:
We have a ton of presets for local flying. If we were to deploy somewhere we would probably set new presets the minute we arrived. Sometimes Sapporo will push us to xxx.xx and we just know that it corresponds with one of our presets so flightlead will acnowledge Sapporo on UHF and push the flight to Uniform XX on VHF. Confused? hehe. Usually VHF doesn't change. UHF can change a lot. But like everything else, it depends.
And at some bases the local agencies (Clearance, Tower, Ground, etc.) have a list of the unit's most common presets, so they can just tell 'em, "ViperDude 01 flight contact departure local button XX", for example. |
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Posted: Feb 06, 2004 - 10:19 PM
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STBYGAIN wrote:
Usually VHF is reserved for intraflight comm and UHF is reserved for strike primary, or GCI, or ATC if you are doing admin.
We have a ton of presets for local flying. If we were to deploy somewhere we would probably set new presets the minute we arrived. Sometimes Sapporo will push us to xxx.xx and we just know that it corresponds with one of our presets so flightlead will acnowledge Sapporo on UHF and push the flight to Uniform XX on VHF. Confused? hehe. Usually VHF doesn't change. UHF can change a lot. But like everything else, it depends.
As for monitoring guard, we always monitor UHF guard and never VHF guard. Sometimes if random spooge is coming in over guard we'll turn it off but that is a bad habit pattern for obvious reasons. Too often we get into the habit if hearing an ELT and silencing guard.
If you are anyone other than 'one' you manage comm by shutting the hell up. If you are flight lead, you manage comm by pushing your formation to whatever freq you want them to be on. Preferably not during a BD check staring into the sun, but it happens.
Great info. ( BTW if you haven't been, you need to go up to Sapporo during the ice festival. lots of fun )
Also like he said. The old tired fighter pilot joke ( para phrased ):
Your wingman is allowed to say three things:
- " Two "
- " Bingo Fuel "
- " Lead... You're on fire! "
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