Forum: F-16 versus XYZ

OK everyone,

Here is another one to consider...

F-16 (any mark) versus the Mirage F1 series. Things to consider:

1. Last French fighter configuration with Matra Super 530 (did it ever carry the replacement to the 530 series?) and Magic 550.
2. Improved version currently flown by Spain with US avionics and Sidewinder.

I know the F-16 will easily outclimb it but what about visual ACM and long range intercept?

Let the comparisons begin...

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F-16C/D/E/F as well as F16 MLU would easily cope with Mirage F1. However, F-16A/B would have much trouble, especially Non-ADF version. It is about 50 % probability that Super 530 will hit F-16 I think. So, the F1 has to fire Super 530 BVR, direct it until it hits Viper (or until it misses due to being jammed by the F-16, malfunction etc.) and then run. If we have two-to-two fight one of Super 530 will hit, then 2 F1s can try to attack Viper, but it will still be very dangerous to attack Viper because of the fact that it has got AIM-9Ls which can be fired not only to the target's six, but also to target's twelve and it will probably fire its Sidewinders, it is very difficult to evade two AIM-9Ls... Then we'll have quite fair dogfight with the second one, so....
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Hi, I'm new to this forum and am probably wrong on this, but I thought that a Greek Mirage III or Mirage 2000 took out a Turkish F-16 about 2 or 3 years ago. As far as I can remember, that was the only proper air-to-air combat loss. (I can remember stories of one lucky kill by some Russians on a Pakistani F-16 over Afghanistan in the 1980s but it involved part of a Russian bombload being ingested into the F-16s engine or something equally improbable, and it thus couldn't realistically be counted as A2A combat). So is the Mirage the only aircraft with the distinction of battle honours against the F-16?

Active Member Joined: Mar 14, 2007 - 11:44 PM Posts: 155

the main disadvantage of the mirage f-1 is his engine, his wing loading is also worse (91 lb/ft²)...
that`s why his rate of climb is smaler than f-16, turn performance and acceleration are lower ....
basicly in dogfight f-16 has no problem.
the super 530 would be a problem for f-16 a/b because even if the first hit is not succesfull the viper vould be in a defensive position.
the magic 2 missile is similar to aim-9 so: no advantage here for the f-16...
the best tactic for f-16a/b would be that used by israel in 1982 against siria.
during golf war f16 did not fly air to air misions against IRAQ ( MIG-29, MIRAGE F-1,MIG-23, MIG-25) ALL bvr fighters.
a f-16 armed with AMRAAM has no problem against mirage f1.

Active Member Joined: Mar 14, 2007 - 11:44 PM Posts: 155

double post

Cad wrote:

the magic 2 missile is similar to aim-9 so: no advantage here for the f-16...
the best tactic for f-16a/b would be that used by israel in 1982 against siria.

What tactic did the Israeli AF use again Syria??

Cad wrote:

during golf war f16 did not fly air to air misions against IRAQ ( MIG-29, MIRAGE F-1,MIG-23, MIG-25) ALL bvr fighters.

While the F-16s had no contact during the war, during Operation Deny Flight a 12/27/92 the F-16D was the first to use an AMRAAM to shoot down an Iraqi MiG-25!

Grounded1971 wrote:

Hi, I'm new to this forum and am probably wrong on this, but I thought that a Greek Mirage III or Mirage 2000 took out a Turkish F-16 about 2 or 3 years ago. As far as I can remember, that was the only proper air-to-air combat loss. (I can remember stories of one lucky kill by some Russians on a Pakistani F-16 over Afghanistan in the 1980s but it involved part of a Russian bombload being ingested into the F-16s engine or something equally improbable, and it thus couldn't realistically be counted as A2A combat). So is the Mirage the only aircraft with the distinction of battle honours against the F-16?

Wrong...It was a Mirage 2000-5 and the Turkish F-16 was unarmed...

duplex wrote:

Grounded1971 wrote:

Hi, I'm new to this forum and am probably wrong on this, but I thought that a Greek Mirage III or Mirage 2000 took out a Turkish F-16 about 2 or 3 years ago. As far as I can remember, that was the only proper air-to-air combat loss. (I can remember stories of one lucky kill by some Russians on a Pakistani F-16 over Afghanistan in the 1980s but it involved part of a Russian bombload being ingested into the F-16s engine or something equally improbable, and it thus couldn't realistically be counted as A2A combat). So is the Mirage the only aircraft with the distinction of battle honours against the F-16?

Wrong...It was a Mirage 2000-5 and the Turkish F-16 was unarmed...

It was a mirage 2000 not a 2000-5.Greece got the 2000-5 after 2005.The turkish f-16 was armed as always.

The F-16 was unarmed and departing the merge.

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