Forum: Air Power

Elite 1K Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM Posts: 1496

The_Mastiff wrote:

The 8" units and the storeage bunkers would have been hit hard before they had a chance to get their specials drawn and issued.

I forgot to mention he said his unit commander was a raging alcoholic who probably understood that fact all too well.

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All I can hear is this guy talking in the accent of Boris from Rocky and Bullwinkle....

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The_Mastiff wrote:

I was in the army in 81 in Germany, in VII corp. We still had M60 tanks, The AF units were just getting the F16's and overall we weren't at all the army that went to war in Desert Storm in 91. Things began changing for the better quickly when Reagan took office, but it took some time. We all knew the Soviets were going to go chemical and probably nuclear on day one on certain targets. The 8" units and the storeage bunkers would have been hit hard before they had a chance to get their specials drawn and issued. Lance units, Air defense sites ( remember they had "specials" too), POMCUS sites ( if you remember those you're old like me), Airfields, etc. We practiced constantly in MOPP4 because we knew the soviets would be hitting everywhere of importance with persistant chemical weapons. All this was found out to be true, and inthe plans when the Berlin wall came down and German/NATO MI went in and ransacked the East German army ops and plans. It would have been one big cluster f^@& for everybody in germany, poland, chech, East Germany, Russia, etc etc. In an escalated war everybody would have gotten a taste of russian nukes, even some neutral countries. They would have wanted no country left in the world more powerfull than themselves ie: they would have taken the whole world with them. JL Raleigh NC

Again....all this requires suprise and preparation. Not just turning on a few Sov weapons and declaring victory. There would be no suprise. That is why Reforger and POMCUS and all the other options existed. But yeah, if there was a match up it would go nuclear quick just because.

As for Soviet flying ability. Funny how Egypt had enough of the emperor_with_no_cloths Sov flying method and sent them home after the disaster ( severe beating ) Egypt received in the War of Attrition ( pre-73 )( Sov advisors ) Funny how F-4s with NO_STUPID_MORONIC_VIETNAM_ROE..... went in and gave the Sovs in Egypt a good stomping when it went jet v jet. Near complete contempt of engagement. Soviet fighting ability in A2A with modern jets was a fantasy. If the wet dream fantasy of A2A over Fulda was allowed to happen... The GCI required, Sov method would get stomped. Now....SAMS would be another story. (Note how effective they were in the 73 war )...However with electronic spoofing and other cute tricks.... I doubt the SOV IFF would keep large Soviet SAMs from killing their own guys,... in the dense air traffic over Germany.

Again though pure fantasy as: There would be no Sov suprise at Fulda and other places along the line. As Gums would say,... if you are going to make a tac Nuke trip with little jet nuke missions,...the heck with having the dial-a-nuke dialed for low yield if that is what the target folder said to do,.... dial in Max ... what are they going to do?...take you off PRP? Laughing

The big problem with Soviet air defense is rigorous centralized control. You take out that and the whole machine falls apart. They had great brute force of numbers but weren't good independent thinkers. A famous German General once said, "War is chaos. Americans are good at handling chaos. Therefore Americans are good at war." In comparison to most other nations the US military does a good job of teaching even the lowliest ranks to think for themselves so that when your officer or NCO gets blown up, someone can step up to the plate. The whole Russian military was just the opposite. Why do you think that they had officers in positions that would normally be held by enlisted people in the US military?

snypa777 wrote:

This requires huge monetary sums, which they don`t have! The Flanker is an example. A very good aircraft in broad terms....still lags behind western aircraft in key areas.....
Russia has some excellent A2A missiles...on paper. How do they perform in the real world? No-one knows. The same can be said for the vast majority of Russian hardware. Any Russian hardware western millitaries have come up against with the notable exception of some very good SAMs has never WON a conflict. For all your technical mastery, Afghanistan was a complete disaster....

Basic Ideology has been used for decades in CCCP (& i Deviliciously Hope will be applied in practice further) to do R&D's is well-known for every True Engineer of the World: each scheme must be as extremally simple as that's possible, it makes easy to use, maximally reliable, effective & cheap. Just look to F22, Shuttle, Stealths... it's good examples how something has to be not done/made, Ain't it? Indeed, many things had gotten only paper existence, wasn't & will not run into real. Indeed(!), some, not gotten into flight, Ideas are example of pure Brilliancy, but most of buried ones have no the least sense to be incarnated, & have hella reasons to be incinerated to ash.

falconfixer860261 wrote:

The big problem with Soviet air defense is rigorous centralized control. You take out that and the whole machine falls apart. They had great brute force of numbers but weren't good independent thinkers. A famous German General once said, "War is chaos. Americans are good at handling chaos.

No offenses, Bro, that's pure bullsh#t! where've you ever seen effective army w\o centralized control??? do you remember the term "friendly fire"???

sark0y wrote:

Basic Ideology has been used for decades in CCCP (& i Deviliciously Hope will be applied in practice further) to do R&D's is well-known for every True Engineer of the World: each scheme must be as extremally simple as that's possible, it makes easy to use, maximally reliable, effective & cheap. Just look to F22, Shuttle, Stealths... it's good examples how something has to be not done/made, Ain't it? Indeed, many things had gotten only paper existence, wasn't & will not run into real. Indeed(!), some, not gotten into flight, Ideas are example of pure Brilliancy, but most of buried ones have no the least sense to be incarnated, & have hella reasons to be incinerated to ash.

Wow, necro thread revival! I have to say I am having lots of trouble following what you just said mate????

snypa777 wrote:

Wow, necro thread revival! I have to say I am having lots of trouble following what you just said mate????

Point out the places, where you've failed, Bro. Very Happy

i shall do my the best to help you out Wink

Errr, all of it Smile

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snypa777 wrote:

Errr, all of it Smile

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i understand you, but you completely cannot explain what ain't comprehensible for you. perhaps, something wrong with your knowledge, bro??? Rolling Eyes

if ye're serious man, Just be trying to use own brain Wink

some people use ru & en languages in the eeriest ways, but i get'em minds as well Very Happy

My grasp of English is pretty good as I was born and educated in the UK Smile

Obviously you weren`t but nobody is perfect Smile

It`s ok Sarky, I kind of get the thrust of your argument !

snypa777 wrote:

My grasp of English is pretty good as I was born and educated in the UK Smile

Obviously you weren`t but nobody is perfect Smile

It`s ok Sarky, I kind of get the thrust of your argument !

i'm hella glad that your education is so well, but i've seen of you only bla-bla-bla comments w\o any effots to shed some light upon your troubles of my sentence. in short, so far, i don't have seen well-educated man with good manners at front of me, but trolling-prone creature. just try your best to be the honest man. still & all, i've kept a hope upon you, however, it cannot be endless, bro. Smile

Your 5 posts on the forum versus my 1500+ and I`m the troll? Yes, ok pal.
I recognize English is not your first language which is fine, I simply wanted to state that your English grammar is extrememly poor which makes it hard to follow your posts and errr, logic.
I am not even going to debate with you as your views seem to be firmly entrenched in pro soviet rhetoric, you are dug in deeper than an Alabama tick Smile

Dos vedanya Tovarisch!

snypa777 wrote:

Your 5 posts on the forum versus my 1500+ and I`m the troll? Yes, ok pal.

perfectly, you're failed at logic Smile

every troll has hella quantity of posts, but many posts doesn't make many sense because sense can be gotten only by brain Wink

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I recognize English is not your first language which is fine, I simply wanted to state that your English grammar is extrememly poor which makes it hard to follow your posts and errr, logic.

have i ever said my en is perfect ??? Very Happy

i proposed to find ways to understand each other. however, no(!!) -- you only have chosen the road of brainless aggression Sad

just a little remark: i've met many humans, who knows en far better than you, & they don't have had so fatal troubles to understand me Very Happy

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Dos vedanya Tovarisch!

"Do svidanya, Tovarisch!" is more right Smile

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I am not even going to debate with you as your views seem to be firmly entrenched in pro soviet rhetoric, you are dug in deeper than an Alabama tick Smile

no knowledge -- no discuss. it can't make me surprised Very Happy

but if you would like to change your mind for creative dispute, i'm ready for Smile

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Dos vedanya Tovarisch!

"Do svidanya, Tovarisch!" is more right Smile

Whatever, just please,
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