Forum: Air Power

I wouldn`t bother on the notes Guysmiley...... Bang Head

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Calm down dude....

I doesn`t matter how many people the Russian army killed in Afghanistan, and no, you didn`t lose millitarily. I never said you did. It WAS a disaster none-the-less. Just talk to some of your veterans. I have seen them talk on TV. They didn`t feel like victorious troops. It was also a disaster for Afghanistan. Killing 1.1 million civilians is nothing to be proud of.

Sunburn, the past is the past. Russia was a superpower, now it is`nt. A few of you find that hard to accept. I think that is the undercurrent here....

You live in New York! This makes it all very, very funny. If you hate the country you live in....leave it. You can do this in the west, unlike in your beloved old soviet union.
Goodnight Sunburn. Its been fun!

Sunburn, it was an F-117 that was downed, not a B-2. What happened there was that they flew the same route night after night and on this particular night ran their route and came around to do it again. They set up a SAM to shoot it down because they knew precisely where it would be before it got there. The detection range was such that it was possible to see it as it flew over and they shot it down. There are no other stories of stealth aircraft being downed. The only one that exists is when they knew exactly where it was going to be. This is just to clear some facts up with you.

Elite 1K Joined: May 26, 2005 - 08:39 PM Posts: 1496

Seriously guys, this dude is just trolling for arguments. I doubt if he is even Russian. More likely a bored teenager looking to bait people into a flamewar. Let his ranting and raving speak for itself.

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it wouldn't just have won in conventional methods, it would have won in no-conventional methods as well, russia had a much larger nuclear arsenal in the Cold WAr, and their studies into science was so far advanced, that right after the soviet union broke up, america demanded that they be allowed to buy scalar-electromagnetic technology from russia, and a bunch of other stuff, thats why the 90's were the years for the americans, but now that the russian economy is recovering, it's only a matter of time

Your science was burned up with your space program... (haha, pun intended)

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lordofbunnies i said b-2 was downed too usa always find way tell some bs sh*t pls just keep beleiving watch u want i dont care i am tired of telling ppl around here so u can believe what u want there been alot aircraft downed in Yugoslavia not only b-2 and f117. ha the f-22 will be the same result.

Umm... no, there were 52 B-2s made... and there still are 52... If someone told you anything else they lied to you and you were dumb enough to believe them. Has it occured to you that other people could be lieing and NOT the American media? After all, last I checked, American media WASNT controlled by its Govt...

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US soldiers are NOT more organized or smarter than any Russian soldiers. You said Americans just surround enemy and make it an easy picking. I live in NY and i can tell that you guys are pretty dumb. Your "calmness" and "intelligence" comes from technoligical superiority over the enemy. Has there been a report of even 1 hand to hand combat in Iraq? You shoot suspected enemy miles away from you without being albe see what it is your shooting at and later realising you just shot a kid with a stick. As been reported US soldiers think of war in Iraq as video game, which is totaly understandable when you point computer monitor at enemy and in a matter of seconds target is no more.

Yeah, we pick them from far off because we can.... Sunburn, please dont tell me all soviet weapons are made for melee range only? Because then Russians will never beat americans. We will simply sit miles away and shoot them why they try to get to melee range? Hey you may think its cheesy and unfair... but I call chivalry stupidity and warfare is warfare. There are no rules ina fight and I dont beleive going hand to hand someone is brave, I believe its retarded. If i have a gun Im going to shoot the retard. Thats what he gets for fighting someone with a gun. If he were a smarter soldier he would run away and hide.

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u're thinking that russia is spending as much as america is right now, when its economy is about 7.4 times larger than russia's , in soviet days, their economy was around4 to five times larger than rusia's, thereore, russia spent nearly 30% of their GDP, not 50%, and its 30% at the maximum, that would outspend america, thats why the russians were far more advanced than the americans in the cold war

30% is still 2X more than North Korea is spending right now and its depleting their economy rapidly. If Russians were so smart they wouldnt have spent more than they could have afforded to just to maintain a super power status... They would have fed their people instead.

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and America DID lose vietnam, first of all, the north vietnamese were funded only by the ussr, and the north vietnamese people destroyed both the south vietnamese people and the americans, thats a pretty serious a$$-whooping, now, in afghanistan, totally different situation, afghanistan, supported by every single country that was not communist(its a fact) even friggin China gave them money, all, ALL of western europe, all of south ameica, japan, america, everyone , against the soviet forces, plus the afghani's were trained by the americans, russia conquered them in one day, ONE DAY, but the fighting continued on for 10 brutal years

Sunburn, I garuntee I have read 200 more books on modern history than you will have finished by the end of your lifetime. By your logic, America lost Vietnam, but Russia didnt lose Afganistan. Your logic is flawed. Chinese and North Vietnamese did not kick anyones #@$@ in Vietnam. Americans shot 10 for every one. Everyone in America knows that militarily Vietnam was an execelenty fought war considering the conditions. We would have decimated Vietnamese even further had politics of involving more countries no stopped us from picking strategical targets for bombing... or other ridiculus rules of engagement.

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But here is a sad fact: US has not fought a major super power or even any country close to have a substantial army since WW2; besdies proxy wars with Russia, which were not direct conflicts with Russian army.

NEITHER HAS RUSSIA! OMG!!!! GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

-Aaron

To the moderartors: you erase my post a few days ago, just because I said that this guy escape from a mental institution. Now he posted a lot of insulting sensless assertions, he has multiple identities, and he still has the permission to post...

Sunburn, please post a source, book or link, if you're going to make such wild claims as most of your posts. Yes, the Russians got to space first, though we caught up quickly in rocket technology. Rocketry isn't that hard, it's some pretty basic equations which NASA did a lot of deriving to get. Now, everybody is fine tuning systems and trying to make them cheaper (see 3 stage all LH2 rockets now). Saturn V was a bloody good rocket (and it's components are now made in Russia... har har har). Look at what the Russians try to accomplish with their orbiter and what the Americans try to do. There's a huge friggin' difference in that. Russia simply puts either people or supplies up and puts the thing on the top of the rocket. The Russian orbiter is much MUCH simpler than the American one. America puts up almost anything they feel like with the shuttle. The first accident, they should have known better. The second one, there were never any problems before so there was no reason to suspect anything.

Sunburn, please calm down and debate reasonably rather than trying to call people out on a personal level.

Not to mention Russia NEVER landed on the moon Rolling Eyes

And a few more things... I blame the failure of the space shuttles recently on the lack of interest in our space program. Lack of interest = lack of finances. It seems to me lately that the government is not investing the huge ammounts in NASA and AF Space and Missile programs it should be. Especially when the AF predicts that Space and Missile and Space in general is the future of warfare. Or so Ive heard from the Space and Missile guys... (But its kind of like a B-52 bombadier told me when I told him I wanted to be a pilot. You have to enter the AF with an open mind. No matter what air frame you get or where you end up, he assured me my IP will convince me that this country is only free because of that air frame, hahaha)

As for the video you saw of a downed B-2... Im sorry but lies from your media once again. Just black pieces of spraypainted cardboard toppled on the ground and a few cheap fireworks for affect. Your oppinion means nothing.... There are still 52 B-2s.... I dont think the Gov can just pop a new one out of thin air... Especially because they cost 1.1 billion dollars a piece... You see, our government ISNT ALLOWED to lie to us. Immagine that ... Sorry bud =/

And actually I hope I know a bit about Russian history... But the dillusions of your country are so typical of your attitude right now. Do you still believe Stalin didn't kill millions of your own people? Or did they die in the crash of the B-2 Rolling Eyes

Get with it Sunburn, you have not cited one reference for any of your claims, your arguments are wortheless. Almost everyone here has a proffessional oppinion and those that dont have an educated oppinion thanks to the others...

You still havent told me the last major super power Russia fought? Oh wait, I understand... It was the super power with the B-2s Russia managed to figure out how to shoot down. What was it called again? Bullshitakistan? Something like that...

If your so intent on proving to everyone Russian weapons are the finest, dont do it here. Find your boat to Russia, some how assume political power in 20 years, and then wage war on the US. But right now noones buying this verbal diahreah of yours without any sources...

-Aaron

-Aaron

OK, some fun we had... Turbox, Sunburn,... or whatever he calls himself has been banned from the forum and his posts have been deleted. I'll put a lock on this topic in a few days.

PS: Note that you can always report any such people/posts via the 'Report Misuse/Abuse' button at the top of the forum.

Hey Sunburn..I assume you are still very young ,probably unaducated and obviously with an IQ level below average..Or you are a nasty troll..You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else as long as you comply with the usual ethical standards because this is a discussion forum and you are living in a free country so enjoy the benefits.Who knows? it might not last long. .Let me tell you this.Russia today can't even rescue her submarine crews at depths below 100 meters ! The russian army is not capable of dealing with a handful of rebels in the Caucasus. .The quality of education at Russian universities is far below western standarts,the scientific elite has already left the country because there was no money to pay their salaries.The greatest threat Russia faces now is not the US but alcoholism.

Russia can and will never be a superpower..Actually,the USSR has never been a superpower in real terms..Anyone who travelled extensively in this country can tell you a story..

Duplex I'm happy a word of expereince can knock sense into this young mans brain!

As always to the many expereinced on this forum, many thanks!

-Aaron

Guys stop this BS.

It doesnt matter.

Many of u have said some stupid stuff, whatever u all might think the Russians are still a powerful nation, and are getting more stronger with each year. But it dont matter cause thats their right. Just like us. We are still stronger. They are a power to be reckoned with.

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The russian army is not capable of dealing with a handful of rebels in the Caucasus.

Are we? When 20% of Iraq is controlled by insurgents. Come on man. Their terrorists we/they deal with. Dont post crap like that.

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You see, our government ISNT ALLOWED to lie to us

Well that dont matter cause, it still does. Wink

See what I mean. U people just post your opinions just like that 'sunburner' dude. And most of the time they are also very STUPID. Simple creations of
our imaginations.

Shev Very Happy

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See what I mean. U people just post your opinions just like that 'sunburner' dude. And most of the time they are also very STUPID. Simple creations of
our imaginations.

Pot...Kettle? Hmmm. A lecture on this subject from Sheva? heh heh heh. Shev, are you familiar with the word irony? JL Raleigh NC

Sheva,

<<Are we? When 20% of Iraq is controlled by insurgents. Come on man. Their terrorists we/they deal with. Dont post crap like that<<

3000 Chechen freedom fighters who defeated 100000 russian soldiers at Grozny back in 1995 were certainly not terrorists! Iraq is 7000 miles away from US homeland whereas Cechnia or Afghanistan is russia's next door neighbours.
There is a huge difference between these campaigns..

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