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Has the F-35 started production yet?

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Not even in flight test yet (prototypes don't count)

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But to answer your question, yes F-35 production has started. CTOL version number 1 has all of the big pieces mated, systems are being installed and tested as I write this and initial power on is next Tuesday (9/07).
A-1 isn't a prototype, it's an SDD Flight Test Jet.
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Yes, it's something between how it's going to be and prototype cause from this jet alot will be learned and changed so the 2nd ctol will be al ot different. But yes, this first jet is the first production aircraft and you can say that production has started but between the 1st and 2nd will be some years.
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I wonder who will pull the flight test assigment of the f-35.

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But flight test birds don't count as production. Technically, they are different contracts. Until the program gets LRIP approval (Low Rate Initial Production), it is not in production.

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I took a tour of plant in Fort Worth on Thursday and they said that the first one is to be completed in August of next year, Learned alot of cool stuff about the F-35.
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Here is an article about latest tea leaves of production numbers.

Seems some of the partner nations still don't grasp the "best value" concept. Surprised

Air Force likely to cut number of F-35 purchases

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/12832354.htm

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GRAPEVINE - Future defense-spending reductions will likely lead to the Air Force buying fewer F-35 joint strike fighters than now planned, but a senior Lockheed Martin official says that should not drive up the aircraft's price.

"The best intel we have is the U.S. government is going to adjust the Air Force buy," Tom Burbage, Lockheed's executive vice president for the F-35 program, said Wednesday.

Pentagon plans call for the Air Force to buy about 1,700 F-35s over 15-20 years, out of a total U.S. purchase of about 2,400 planes. But defense analysts say those plans are likely to be altered because of ballooning federal budget deficits and changing military requirements.

Interviewed after speaking at the SAE AeroTech Congress at the Gaylord Texan in Grapevine, Burbage said he had little hard information about ongoing Pentagon budget and strategy reviews. At this point, he expects the number of F-35s to be purchased for the Navy and Marines to remain unchanged.

Some analysts have suggested that the Navy version of the plane could be endangered. The Navy is already buying one new fighter jet -- the F/A-18E/F -- and service officials could decide that they don't need another, especially if the price of the F-35 rises.

Two issues -- how many F-35s will be purchased and when they'll be purchased -- are crucial to keeping the aircraft's cost low enough so the U.S. military and foreign governments can afford to buy the airplane.

Getting production rates up early and keeping them at a high rate is crucial to keeping the F-35's unit low, said Richard Aboulafia, aerospace analyst with the Teal Group market-forecasting firm. The first production aircraft is expected to be completed in 2008.

When the F-35 program was launched in late 2001, Defense Department officials said the goal was to produce new fighter jets ranging from $45 million to $60 million each, depending on the model. The Air Force, or conventional takeoff version, is the cheapest, and the Navy and Marine versions will be more expensive.

A cut in the number of planes purchased by the Air Force would not have much effect on production rates early in the program, Burbage said. "We think the front end will remain pretty stable."

Burbage has made frequent trips to Washington to meet with Pentagon officials and members of Congress to keep them informed of progress and bolster political and bureaucratic support for the program.

International purchases could pick up the slack of cuts by the U.S. government, but significant foreign orders aren't expected until 2015 or so.

Lockheed is heading the F-35 development team that also includes Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems, as well as a number of other U.S. and foreign firms. Eight countries, in addition to the defense departments of the U.S. and Britain, have contributed funds to the $40 billion-plus F-35 development program.

Burbage, Lockheed's point man for dealing with U.S. and foreign governments, said the F-35 international coalition seems to be holding together but not without some tension.

Representatives of the various nations and their defense industries met in Turin, Italy, last week to continue discussions on the amount of work that Lockheed, Northrop and BAE are subcontracting out to companies in the partner nations.

The F-35 program is awarding contracts to foreign companies on a "best value" basis, factoring in cost and quality. That's a shift from the historical pattern of offering a specific share of work in exchange for aircraft orders.

The Turin meeting "went pretty well," Burbage said. "We're on our plan. Nobody's satisfied [with their share of work], but we're on the plan. We're trying to make that a nonissue politically."

Government and industry officials in Turkey were the latest to make noises about the level of work coming their way. Burbage met with them in Ankara last week and said he thinks that their concerns have been addressed.

"They have a very competitive aerospace industry," Burbage said, "but they don't have much experience dealing with the U.S." government and industry.

Norwegian officials have been the most vocal about not getting enough work for their companies as a result of their $150 million investment in the F-35 program. Burbage said he continues to talk to them, but "Norway is going to continue to be a challenge."

European defense contractors have been wooing Norway and Turkey as possible buyers for the Eurofighter, a rival in the competition for fighter sales, further complicating Burbage's travel schedule.

Some of the same companies, notably BAE and Italy's Alenia, are involved in both Eurofighter and the F-35 joint strike fighter.

Negotiations between the U.S. government and partner nations are continuing over definitive contracts, memorandums of understanding, on each country's plan to purchase F-35s. Burbage said negotiations on the memorandums need to be completed by mid-2006 so the governments can submit them for approval.

Partner countries have indicated that their plans would lead to purchases of 650 to 750 F-35s, a figure Burbage said is probably conservative. Other countries are also expected to eventually buy hundreds of planes.


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I just got off shift and spent the night rigging the nose landing gear door, what a hoot.
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Some analysts have suggested that the Navy version of the plane could be endangered. The Navy is already buying one new fighter jet -- the F/A-18E/F -- and service officials could decide that they don't need another, especially if the price of the F-35 rises.


This just doesn't make any sense to me, after all, the USAF is in the same position. I mean, the USAF is already purchasing the Raptor (which has the potential of being an effective attack aircraft as well as an air dominance fighter), so why doesn't their service officials decide that they just don't need another (very similar) aircraft?

In my opinion, 1700 JSF's is just too much, especially since not every mission would need to be accomplished with stealth.
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This is an interesting read. The checkbook is maxing out some.


DOD: Hill Cut Would Delay JSF Fielding Up To A Year

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/c ... D10255.xml

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Dutch may consider cutting order in half. Where the first half of 85 jets is a go and a decision on the second half is pending.

Dutch look to downsize JSF order


http://www.flightinternational.com/www. ... order.html

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elp wrote:
DOD: Hill Cut Would Delay JSF Fielding Up To A Year


What are "long-lead items"?
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Heck if I know. Although if one of the maintainers here told me to look for one in the hanger, I am probably dumb enough to do it. Laughing

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In my opinion, 1700 JSF's is just too much, especially since not every mission would need to be accomplished with stealth.


500-600 would be good... Legacy A/C and UAVs could fill in the gap. I also think F-22 production should be increased back to 370-400.

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