EF-2000 versus other fighters of 3rd and 4th generation
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F/A-22, F/B-22, F-35A, F-35B, F-35C, F-15E+, F-16E, F/A-18 E/F, EF-2000, Rafale B/C/M, and Su-35 (Revise)
A. Empty weight:
A. Empty weight:
- FA-22: 19,489 kg
- FB-22: 22,000 kg
- F-35A: 12,250 kg (http://www.defence.gov.au/jsf/factsheet_jsf.asp)
- F-35B: 13,608 kg
- F-35C: 13,888 kg
- F-15E: 16,555 kg (with CFT + F-100-PW-229)
- F-15E+: 16,790 kg(with CFT + F-110-GE-132)
- F-16E: 9,980 kg
- F-18E: 13,860 kg
- EF-2K: 11,150 kg
- Rafale B: 10,450 kg (Janes)
- Rafale C: 9,850 kg (Janes)
- Rafale M: 10,460 kg (Janes)
- Su-35: 18,400 kg
- FA-22: 8,323 kg
- FB-22: 16,000 kg
- F-35A: 8,165 kg+
- F-35B: 6,300 kg
- F-35C: 8,901 kg
- F-15E/E+: 5,920 kg + CFT
- F-16E: 3,160 kg + CFT
- F-18E: 6,532 kg
- EF-2K: 4,996 kg + CFT
- Rafale B: 4,300 kg + CFT
- Rafale C: 4,700 kg + CFT
- Rafale M: 4,700 kg + CFT
- Su-35: 10,250 kg
- FA-22: 78.03 m2
- FB-22: 110.00 m2
- F-35A: 42.74 m2
- F-35B: 42.74 m2
- F-35C: 57.60 m2
- F-15E/E+: 56.50 m2
- F-16E: 27.87 m2
- F-18E: 46.45 m2
- EF-2K: 50.00 m2
- Rafale B/C/M: 45.70 m2
- Su-35: 62.00 m2
- FA-22: 6,500 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
- FB-22: 7,000 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
- F-35A/B/C: 5,000 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
- F-15E/E+: 7,000 kg (internal + CFT) fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
- F-16E: 4,000 kg (internal + CFT) fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
- F-18E: 6,000 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
- EF-2000: 4,996 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + ASRAAM*2
- RAFALE B/C/M: 4,700 /4,300 kg internal fuel + MICA EM*4 + MICA IR*2
- Su-35: 6,700 kg internal fuel + R-77*4 + R-73M2*2
- FA-22: 27,000 kg
- FB-22: 30,000 kg
- F-35A: 18,300 kg
- F-35B: 19,650 kg
- F-35C: 19,950 kg
- F-15E: 24,750 kg
- F-15E+: 25,000 kg
- F-16E: 15,000 kg
- F-18E: 20,950 kg
- EF-2K: 17,150 kg
- Rafale B: 15,750 kg
- Rafale C: 15,450 kg
- Rafale M: 16,050 kg
- Su-35: 26,250 kg
- FA-22: 346.0 kg/m2 (Score: 1.000)
- FB-22: 272.7 kg/m2 (Score: 1.269)
- F-35A: 428.2 kg/m2 (Score: 0.808 )
- F-35B: 459.8 kg/m2 (Score: 0.753)
- F-35C: 346.4 kg/m2 (Score: 1.000)
- F-15E: 438.8 kg/m2 (Score: 0.789)
- F-15E+: 442.5 kg/m2 (Score: 0.782)
- F-16E: 538.2 kg/m2 (Score: 0.643)
- F-18E: 451.0 kg/m2 (Score: 0.767)
- EF-2K: 343.0 kg/m2 (Score: 1.009)
- Rafale B: 344.6 kg/m2 (Score: 1.005)
- Rafale C: 338.1 kg/m2 (Score: 1.025 )
- Rafale M: 351.2 kg/m2 (Score: 0.986)
- Su-35: 423.4 kg/m2 (Score: 0.817)
- FA-22: 1.270 / 0.857 (F-119, 37,800 Ib / 25,500 Ib *2), Score: 1.000 / 1.000
- FB-22: 1.210 / 0.789 (F-135, 40,000 Ib / 26,100 Ib *2), Score: 0.953 / 0.921
- FB-22: 1.300 / 0.789 (F-135, 43,000 Ib / 26,100 Ib *2), Score: 1.024 / 0.921
- F-35A: 0.991~1.065 / 0.647 (F-135, 40,000 ~ 43,000 Ib / 26,100 Ib *1): Score: 0.780~0.839 / 0.755
- F-35B: 0.923~0.992 / 0.603 (F-135, 40,000 ~ 43,000 Ib / 26,100 Ib *1): Score: 0.726~0.781 / 0.703
- F-35C: 0.909~0.977 / 0.594 (F-135, 40,000 ~ 43,000 Ib / 26,100 Ib *1): Score: 0.715~0.769 / 0.692
- F-15E: 1.067 / 0.652 (F-100-PW-229, nowadays, 29,100 Ib / 17,800 Ib *2): Score: 0.840 / 0.761
- F-15E+: 1.161 / 0.689 (F-110-GE-132, peace time, 32,000 Ib / 19,000 Ib *2): Score: 0.914 / 0.804
- F-15E+: 1.234 / 0.689 (F-110-GE-132, war time set, 34,000 Ib / 19,000 Ib *2): Score: 0.972 / 0.804
- F-16E: 0.968 / 0.575 (F-110-GE-132, peace time, 32,000 Ib / 19,000 Ib *1): Score: 0.762 / 0.671
- F-16E: 1.029 / 0.575 (F-110-GE-132, the war time, 34,000 Ib / 19,000 Ib *1): Score: 0.810 / 0.671
- F-16E: 1.119 / ????? (F-110-GE-XXX, post-2010 ?, 37,000 Ib / ?????Ib *1): Score: 0.881 / ?????
- F-18E: 0.953 / 0.606 (F-414-GE-400, nowadays, 22,000 Ib / 14,000 Ib *2): Score: 0.750 / 0.707
- F-18E: 1.148 / 0.729 (F-414-GE-???, post-2015?, 26,500 Ib / 16,850 Ib *2): Score: 0.904 / 0.851
- EF-2K: 1.071 / 0.714 (EJ200, peace time, 20,250 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2): Score: 0.843 / 0.833
- EF-2K: 1.130 / 0.821 (EJ200, the war time, 21,370 Ib / 15,525 Ib *2): Score: 0.890 / 0.956
- EF-2K: 1.178 / 0.821 (EJ200, small revision, 22,275 Ib / 15,525 Ib *2): Score: 0.927 / 0.956
- EF-2K: 1.222 / 0.857 (EJ230, post-2010 ?, 23,100 Ib / 16,200 Ib *2): Score: 0.962 / 1.000
- EF-2K: 1.400 ~ 1.428 / 0.926 (EJ270, post-2015 ?, 27,000 Ib / 17,500 Ib *2): Score: 1.102 ~ 1.124 / 1.081
- RAFA B: 0.971 / 0.647 (M88-2, nowadays, 16,870 Ib / 11,245 Ib *2): Score: 0.765 / 0.756
- RAFA B: 1.155 / 0.770 (M88-3, post-2010, 20,250 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2): Score: 0.909 / 0.898
- RAFA C: 0.990 / 0.660 (M88-2, nowadays, 16,870 Ib / 11,245 Ib *2): Score: 0.780 / 0.770
- RAFA C: 1.170 / 0.780 (M88-3, post-2010, 20,250 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2): Score: 0.921 / 0.910
- RAFA M: 0.953 / 0.635 (M88-2, nowadays, 16,870 Ib / 11,245 Ib *2): Score: 0.751 / 0.741
- RAFA M: 1.130 / 0.753 (M88-3, post-2010, 20,250 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2): Score: 0.890 / 0.879
- Su-35: 1.104 / 0.648 (AL-37FU, nowadays, 31,970 Ib / 18,740 Ib *2): Score: 0.869 / 0.756
- Su-35: 1.244 / 0.829 (AL-41F1, post-2015?, 36,000 Ib / 24,000 Ib *2): Score: 0.980 / 0.967
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EF-2000 v.s RAFALE C
1. Dimensions:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Length: 15.96 m / 15.27 m
B. Span: 10.95 m / 10.80 m
C. Height: 5.28 m / 5.34 m
D. Wing area: 50.00 m2 / 45.70 m2
2. Weights:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Empty weight: 10,995~11,150 kg / 9,400~9,850 kg (*1)
B. Internal fuel: 4,996 kg / 4,700 kg (*2)
C. Max. ext. fuel: 4,000 liters / 9,375 liters
D. Max. ext. load: 7500~8,000 kg+ / 9,500 kg (*3)
E. Max. take-off weight: 23,000 kg / 24,500 kg (*4)
*1: EF-2000 is about 11~19% heavier than Rafale C.
*2: EF-2000's fuel is also about 6% more than Rafale C's.
*3: Rafale C's Max. ext. load can be 19~27% more than EF-2000's.
*4: Dassault may increase the MTOW of Rafale to 27,200 kg-class after 2010.
3. Flight Performance:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Max. speed, high level: 2.0 Mach+ / 1.8~2.0 Mach (*5)
B. Max. speed, low level: 800 kts / 750 kts
C. Max. operating altitude: 18,300~19,800 m / 16,750~18,300 m
F. Climb rate, sea level: > 315 m/sec / > 305 m/sec
G. Normal G-limit: -3.0~+9.0G / -3.2~+9.0 G
H. Max. upper G-limit: +12.0~+15.0 G / > or = +11.0 G
I. Normal AoA limit: 28~40 degrees / 32 degrees (*6)
J. Wing-load: 297.0~300.0 kg/m2 / 281.2~291.0 kg/m2 (*7)
K. T/W ratio for air combat, sea level: 1.22~1.24 / 1.15~1.19 with A/B (*8)
L. T/W ratio for air combat, sea level: 0.81~0.83 / 0.77~0.79 with max. mil. (*9)
*5: The normal upper limit of Rafale's FCS for speed is 1.8 Mach.
*6: Once cancelling the normal restriction of FBWs, Rafale's AoA could reach more than 100 degrees. As for EF-2000, I've only heard the information that EF-2000 had performed the maneuver with the AoA > or = 40 degrees during the flight test, and the FCS of the productional fighter today sets a normal upper limit of 28 degrees.
*7 and *8: EJ-200 already has had the potential to increase 5.5~10% more A/B thrust, and 15% more Max. A/B thrust during the war time, while M88-2 hasn't declared such a capability up to now. Therefore, the difference of T/W ratio between EF-2000 and Rafale C may become much more significant during the war time.
*7~*9: The fighter's weight for air combat = empty weight + 50% internal fuel + MRAAM*6 + SRAAM*2 + pilot and gun shells.
4. Ferry range:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Ferry range: 2,600 km / > 2,100 km (*10)
B. Ferry range: 3,700 km / 3,704 ~ 5,593 km (*11) (*12) (*13)
*10: clean fighter with internal fuel only.
*11: Ferry range of EF-2000 with two tank --> 3,700 km
*12: Ferry range of Rafale C with four tank (6,600 L) + MICA*8 --> 3,704 km
*13: Ferry range of Rafale C with maximally internal + external fuel --> 5,593 km
5. Combat radius:
# EF-2000
A. Strike:650km (4 BVRAAM, 2WVRAAM, and 7,000Ib bombs, lo-lo-lo)
B. Strike: 1390Km (Basic loading for air-combat + LGB*3 + ARM*2 + pod*1, hi-lo-hi)
C. Air-combat: 750 nm (1389 km)
D. Air-combat: 100 nm (185 km), 3hrs CAP
E. Combat endurance: 2 h 15 min with six AAMs and external tanks, 280 km from the carrier.
# Rafale C:
A. 1,100 km with three tanks (4,300 L), four MICA AAMs, and twelve 1,000 Ib bombs.
B. 1,480 km with three tanks (6,000 L), four MICA AAMs, and four 500 Ib GBU-12 LGBs
C. 1,830 km with two CFTs (2,300 L), three tanks (5,700 L), two SCALP-EG and two MICA AAMs.
D. CAP: More than 2 hours (Rafale M with six AAMs and three 1,250L tanks, 185 km away from the carrier)
6. Others:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Frontal RCS: 0.05~0.1 m2 / 0.1 to 0.3 m2 (*14)
B. Pylonst: 13 and 3 / 14 and 5, all and wet (*15)
C. Prices: 154 million USDs / 148.5 million USDs (*16)
D. Prices: 92.3 million USDs / 69.5 million USDs (*17)
E. Maintenance: 8 / 7 Man-hours per flight hour.
*14: Dassault declared the frontal RCS of Rafale is 1/10 of Mirage-2000 in 1998~1999.
*15: Wet pylon means the pylon that can carry and use the tank.
*16: Including R&D cost
*17: Fly-off cost
7. Engine:
8. Engine:
9. IRST:
1. Dimensions:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Length: 15.96 m / 15.27 m
B. Span: 10.95 m / 10.80 m
C. Height: 5.28 m / 5.34 m
D. Wing area: 50.00 m2 / 45.70 m2
2. Weights:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Empty weight: 10,995~11,150 kg / 9,400~9,850 kg (*1)
B. Internal fuel: 4,996 kg / 4,700 kg (*2)
C. Max. ext. fuel: 4,000 liters / 9,375 liters
D. Max. ext. load: 7500~8,000 kg+ / 9,500 kg (*3)
E. Max. take-off weight: 23,000 kg / 24,500 kg (*4)
*1: EF-2000 is about 11~19% heavier than Rafale C.
*2: EF-2000's fuel is also about 6% more than Rafale C's.
*3: Rafale C's Max. ext. load can be 19~27% more than EF-2000's.
*4: Dassault may increase the MTOW of Rafale to 27,200 kg-class after 2010.
3. Flight Performance:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Max. speed, high level: 2.0 Mach+ / 1.8~2.0 Mach (*5)
B. Max. speed, low level: 800 kts / 750 kts
C. Max. operating altitude: 18,300~19,800 m / 16,750~18,300 m
F. Climb rate, sea level: > 315 m/sec / > 305 m/sec
G. Normal G-limit: -3.0~+9.0G / -3.2~+9.0 G
H. Max. upper G-limit: +12.0~+15.0 G / > or = +11.0 G
I. Normal AoA limit: 28~40 degrees / 32 degrees (*6)
J. Wing-load: 297.0~300.0 kg/m2 / 281.2~291.0 kg/m2 (*7)
K. T/W ratio for air combat, sea level: 1.22~1.24 / 1.15~1.19 with A/B (*8)
L. T/W ratio for air combat, sea level: 0.81~0.83 / 0.77~0.79 with max. mil. (*9)
*5: The normal upper limit of Rafale's FCS for speed is 1.8 Mach.
*6: Once cancelling the normal restriction of FBWs, Rafale's AoA could reach more than 100 degrees. As for EF-2000, I've only heard the information that EF-2000 had performed the maneuver with the AoA > or = 40 degrees during the flight test, and the FCS of the productional fighter today sets a normal upper limit of 28 degrees.
*7 and *8: EJ-200 already has had the potential to increase 5.5~10% more A/B thrust, and 15% more Max. A/B thrust during the war time, while M88-2 hasn't declared such a capability up to now. Therefore, the difference of T/W ratio between EF-2000 and Rafale C may become much more significant during the war time.
*7~*9: The fighter's weight for air combat = empty weight + 50% internal fuel + MRAAM*6 + SRAAM*2 + pilot and gun shells.
4. Ferry range:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Ferry range: 2,600 km / > 2,100 km (*10)
B. Ferry range: 3,700 km / 3,704 ~ 5,593 km (*11) (*12) (*13)
*10: clean fighter with internal fuel only.
*11: Ferry range of EF-2000 with two tank --> 3,700 km
*12: Ferry range of Rafale C with four tank (6,600 L) + MICA*8 --> 3,704 km
*13: Ferry range of Rafale C with maximally internal + external fuel --> 5,593 km
5. Combat radius:
# EF-2000
A. Strike:650km (4 BVRAAM, 2WVRAAM, and 7,000Ib bombs, lo-lo-lo)
B. Strike: 1390Km (Basic loading for air-combat + LGB*3 + ARM*2 + pod*1, hi-lo-hi)
C. Air-combat: 750 nm (1389 km)
D. Air-combat: 100 nm (185 km), 3hrs CAP
E. Combat endurance: 2 h 15 min with six AAMs and external tanks, 280 km from the carrier.
# Rafale C:
A. 1,100 km with three tanks (4,300 L), four MICA AAMs, and twelve 1,000 Ib bombs.
B. 1,480 km with three tanks (6,000 L), four MICA AAMs, and four 500 Ib GBU-12 LGBs
C. 1,830 km with two CFTs (2,300 L), three tanks (5,700 L), two SCALP-EG and two MICA AAMs.
D. CAP: More than 2 hours (Rafale M with six AAMs and three 1,250L tanks, 185 km away from the carrier)
6. Others:
# Fighter: EF-2000 / Rafale C
A. Frontal RCS: 0.05~0.1 m2 / 0.1 to 0.3 m2 (*14)
B. Pylonst: 13 and 3 / 14 and 5, all and wet (*15)
C. Prices: 154 million USDs / 148.5 million USDs (*16)
D. Prices: 92.3 million USDs / 69.5 million USDs (*17)
E. Maintenance: 8 / 7 Man-hours per flight hour.
*14: Dassault declared the frontal RCS of Rafale is 1/10 of Mirage-2000 in 1998~1999.
*15: Wet pylon means the pylon that can carry and use the tank.
*16: Including R&D cost
*17: Fly-off cost
7. Engine:
- Engine: EJ-200 turbofans / M88-2 turbofans
- Weight: 990~1,035 kg / 897 kg
- Thrust: 20,250~21,370 Ib / 16,840~17,000 Ib (A/B) (*18)
- Thrust: 13,500~15,525 Ib / 11,240~11,250 Ib (Max. Mil.)
- T/W ratio: 8.9~9.8 : 1 / 8.5~8.6 : 1
# Compression ratio: 26 : 1 / 24.5 : 1 - SFC: 1.66~1.73 / 1.80 (A/B)
- SFC: 0.74~0.81 / 0.80 (A/B)
8. Engine:
- Radar: CAPTOR radar / RBE-2 PESA radar
- Detective range: 185~370 km / 97~148 km (*19)
- Search angle: +/-70 degrees / +/-60 degrees (Horizontal)
- Targets of TWS: more than 20 / 40 targets
- Targets of engagment: 6~8 targets / 8 targets
9. IRST:
- IRST: PIRATE IRST / FSO IRST + TV + Laser range-finder
- Detective range: 148 km+ / 130~148 km (Maximal range)
- Search angle: +/-90 degs / +/-90 degs (IIR), +/-60 degs (TV)
- Multi-targets of tracking: 200 targets / Unknown
- Effective range for range measuring : - / 22~33 km (*20)
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I got a flight-envelop of EF-2000 here:
http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/daten.htm
Comparing with the flight-envelop of Su-30MKI:
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/interview-chepkin1.html
Flight-envelop:
Sea-level
1. EF-2000: 0.15~1.15 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.20~1.10 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.25~0.45 Mach (TVC flight)
2,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.18~1.28 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.22~1.30 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.28~0.50 Mach (TVC flight)
4,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.20~1.46 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.23~1.45 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.30~0.55 Mach (TVC flight)
6,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.22~1.65 Mach
2. Su-30MK: 0.26~1.60 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.32~0.60 Mach (TVC flight)
8,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.29~1.90 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.30~1.80 Mach (Tradional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.38~0.70 Mach (TVC flight)
10,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.30~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.35~2.00 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.44~0.80 Mach (TVC flight)
11,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.32~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.38~2.15 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: 0.38~0.80 Mach (TVC flight)
12,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.35~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.40~2.15 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: 0.40~0.80 Mach (TVC flight)
13,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.38~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.43~2.15 Mach
14,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.41~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.65~2.10 Mach
15,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.44~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.80~2.00 Mach
16,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.47~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 1.00~1.90 Mach
17,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.50~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 1.10~1.80 Mach
18,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.75~1.85 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 1.40~1.60 Mach
19,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.85~1.75 Mach
19,500 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.88~1.70 Mach
PS1:
EF-2000 with standard air-combat configuration could reach the maximal upper limit of speed (Mach 2) set by FCS at the height between 28,000 to 55,000 fts (8,500 to 16,750 meters).
PS2:
Su-30MKI could reach its maximal speed (Mach 2.15) at height between 11,000 to 12,000 meters, or the speed which is equal to or more than Mach 2 at the height between 10,000 to 15,000 meters.
http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/daten.htm
Comparing with the flight-envelop of Su-30MKI:
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/interview-chepkin1.html
Flight-envelop:
Sea-level
1. EF-2000: 0.15~1.15 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.20~1.10 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.25~0.45 Mach (TVC flight)
2,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.18~1.28 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.22~1.30 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.28~0.50 Mach (TVC flight)
4,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.20~1.46 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.23~1.45 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.30~0.55 Mach (TVC flight)
6,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.22~1.65 Mach
2. Su-30MK: 0.26~1.60 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.32~0.60 Mach (TVC flight)
8,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.29~1.90 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.30~1.80 Mach (Tradional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.38~0.70 Mach (TVC flight)
10,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.30~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.35~2.00 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: -0.44~0.80 Mach (TVC flight)
11,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.32~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.38~2.15 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: 0.38~0.80 Mach (TVC flight)
12,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.35~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.40~2.15 Mach (Traditional flight)
3. Su-30MKI: 0.40~0.80 Mach (TVC flight)
13,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.38~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.43~2.15 Mach
14,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.41~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.65~2.10 Mach
15,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.44~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 0.80~2.00 Mach
16,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.47~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 1.00~1.90 Mach
17,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.50~2.00 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 1.10~1.80 Mach
18,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.75~1.85 Mach
2. Su-30MKI: 1.40~1.60 Mach
19,000 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.85~1.75 Mach
19,500 meters:
1. EF-2000: 0.88~1.70 Mach
PS1:
EF-2000 with standard air-combat configuration could reach the maximal upper limit of speed (Mach 2) set by FCS at the height between 28,000 to 55,000 fts (8,500 to 16,750 meters).
PS2:
Su-30MKI could reach its maximal speed (Mach 2.15) at height between 11,000 to 12,000 meters, or the speed which is equal to or more than Mach 2 at the height between 10,000 to 15,000 meters.
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The Typhoon can:
- Accelerate from brakes off to take off in less than 7 seconds.
- Climb from brakes off to 36,000 feet mach 1.6 in less than 2.5 minutes.
- Fly across Singapore in 70 seconds.
- Accelerate from brakes off to supersonic in less than 30 seconds.
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http://vihur.dyn.ee/jg3/ACM/Intro_Fighter.doc
Some formula for BFM
1. Turn radius = V * V／G
In other word, the supersonic turn radius for EF-2000 and F/A-22 with 5G agility at the height of 40,000~50,000 fts will be 40~60% of the supersonic turn radius for tradional fighters (F-15, F-16......) with 2~3G agility at the height of 40,000~50,000 fts.
2. Rate is needed to achieve weapons parameters or defeat attacks. The “example” aircraft’s turn rate increases very rapidly from slow speed up to 240 +-10 Knots, at which point the rate is the highest. Turn rate (W) in degrees per second is determined by the following formula: W = (gG R /V) x 57.3 degrees/radian
# g = 32 feet per second squared.
# G R = Radial G.
# V = TAS in feet per second.
a. It is said that upper G limit for Rafale is 11G+, and its cornering speed is 360 kts. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its maximal instaneous turning rate should be 33.2 deg/sec+ theoretically.
b. It is said that upper G limit for EF-2000 is 12G+, and its maximal instaneous turning rate could reach 35 deg/sec. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its cornering speed should be around 372 kts theoretically.
c. The test pilot of EF-2000 declared that EF-2000 had made the turning of 7G at the speed of 300 kts. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its sustaneous(?) turning rate for this performance should be 25.3 deg/sec+ theoretically.
d. The test pilot of EF-2000 declared that EF-2000 had made the turning of 5G at the speed of Mach 1.6 in the height of 45,000 fts. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its sustaneous(?) turning rate for this performance should be around 9.3 deg/sec+ theoretically.
Some formula for BFM
1. Turn radius = V * V／G
In other word, the supersonic turn radius for EF-2000 and F/A-22 with 5G agility at the height of 40,000~50,000 fts will be 40~60% of the supersonic turn radius for tradional fighters (F-15, F-16......) with 2~3G agility at the height of 40,000~50,000 fts.
2. Rate is needed to achieve weapons parameters or defeat attacks. The “example” aircraft’s turn rate increases very rapidly from slow speed up to 240 +-10 Knots, at which point the rate is the highest. Turn rate (W) in degrees per second is determined by the following formula: W = (gG R /V) x 57.3 degrees/radian
# g = 32 feet per second squared.
# G R = Radial G.
# V = TAS in feet per second.
a. It is said that upper G limit for Rafale is 11G+, and its cornering speed is 360 kts. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its maximal instaneous turning rate should be 33.2 deg/sec+ theoretically.
b. It is said that upper G limit for EF-2000 is 12G+, and its maximal instaneous turning rate could reach 35 deg/sec. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its cornering speed should be around 372 kts theoretically.
c. The test pilot of EF-2000 declared that EF-2000 had made the turning of 7G at the speed of 300 kts. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its sustaneous(?) turning rate for this performance should be 25.3 deg/sec+ theoretically.
d. The test pilot of EF-2000 declared that EF-2000 had made the turning of 5G at the speed of Mach 1.6 in the height of 45,000 fts. According to the formula that is mentioned above, its sustaneous(?) turning rate for this performance should be around 9.3 deg/sec+ theoretically.
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http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/faq.htm
Gebiete die von Graz oder Zeltweg weiter entfernt sind - z.b. der Nordosten Österreichs mit der Bundeshauptstadt oder der exponierte Westen mit dem engen Lufträumen Tirol und Vorarlberg - können mit dem Eurofighter Typhoon in rund der Hälfte der Zeit erreicht werden. Und nicht nur das. Einmal angekommen kann der Eurofighter Typhoon auch wesentlich länger im Luftraum verbleiben. Während ein Draken mangels Treibstoff nur wenige Minuten über Vorarlberg verbringen kann, ist der Eurofighter Typhoon selbst ohne Außentanks in der Lage dort eine Stunde zu kreisen.
From Graz or tent way further is distant - e.g. the northeast of Austria with the Federal Capital or the exposed west with close air spaces the Tirol and Vorarlberg - can with the Eurofighter Typhoon in approximately half of the time orders be achieved. And not only that. Once arrived the Eurofighter Typhoon can remain also substantially longer in the air space. While a Draken can spend few minutes over Vorarlberg for lack of fuel only, is to be circled the Eurofighter Typhoon without external tanks in a the position there one hour
A:
1. The distance from Graz to the northeast of Austria is about 142~175 km, so "EF-2000 can get there in five minutes" means the average speed of EF-2000 for the mission is about 1.6~2.0 Mach.
2. The distance from Graz to Vorarlberg is about 430 km, which means that EF-2000 shall be able to fly to the area 400~450 km away from the base, loitering there for about 1 hour and then back to the base with internal fuel only.
Wendigkeit - Wie wendig ist ein Eurofighter Typhoon? Kann man bei Überschallgeschwindigkeiten noch rechtzeitig vor der Staatsgrenze umdrehen ?
Der Eurofighter Typhoon ist was die Wendigkeit betrifft eine Klasse für sich.
Im Unterschallbereich ist das Flugzeug instabil in der Längsbewegung und fliegt bei hohen Unterschall-Geschwindigkeiten Kurvendiameter von wenigen hundert Metern.
Im Überschallbereich ist das Flugzeug instabil in der Seitenbewegung - bei Mach 1,5 kann ein Kurvendiameter von 6 km ohne Geschwindigkeitsverlust geflogen werden.
Agility - as an Eurofighter Typhoon is agile? Can one turn with supersonic speeds still in time before the state border?
The Eurofighter Typhoon is which the agility concerns a class for itself. In the subsonic region the airplane is unstable in the longitudinal movement and flies with high subsonic speeds curve dia. meters of few hundred meters. In the supersonic range the airplane is unstable in the lateral movement - with Mach 1.5 a curve dia. meter can be flown by 6 km without losing speed.
A:
According to the formula of BFM, Turning raduis = Speed * Speed / G-loading.
# Turning radius = 3 km = 3000 meters.
# Speed = 1.5 Mach = about 440~442 meters/sec at 35,000~50,000 fts.
Then the G-loading should be 440~442 * 440~442 / 3000 = 64.5~65.1 meter / sec2 --> About 6.6G
Gebiete die von Graz oder Zeltweg weiter entfernt sind - z.b. der Nordosten Österreichs mit der Bundeshauptstadt oder der exponierte Westen mit dem engen Lufträumen Tirol und Vorarlberg - können mit dem Eurofighter Typhoon in rund der Hälfte der Zeit erreicht werden. Und nicht nur das. Einmal angekommen kann der Eurofighter Typhoon auch wesentlich länger im Luftraum verbleiben. Während ein Draken mangels Treibstoff nur wenige Minuten über Vorarlberg verbringen kann, ist der Eurofighter Typhoon selbst ohne Außentanks in der Lage dort eine Stunde zu kreisen.
From Graz or tent way further is distant - e.g. the northeast of Austria with the Federal Capital or the exposed west with close air spaces the Tirol and Vorarlberg - can with the Eurofighter Typhoon in approximately half of the time orders be achieved. And not only that. Once arrived the Eurofighter Typhoon can remain also substantially longer in the air space. While a Draken can spend few minutes over Vorarlberg for lack of fuel only, is to be circled the Eurofighter Typhoon without external tanks in a the position there one hour
A:
1. The distance from Graz to the northeast of Austria is about 142~175 km, so "EF-2000 can get there in five minutes" means the average speed of EF-2000 for the mission is about 1.6~2.0 Mach.
2. The distance from Graz to Vorarlberg is about 430 km, which means that EF-2000 shall be able to fly to the area 400~450 km away from the base, loitering there for about 1 hour and then back to the base with internal fuel only.
Wendigkeit - Wie wendig ist ein Eurofighter Typhoon? Kann man bei Überschallgeschwindigkeiten noch rechtzeitig vor der Staatsgrenze umdrehen ?
Der Eurofighter Typhoon ist was die Wendigkeit betrifft eine Klasse für sich.
Im Unterschallbereich ist das Flugzeug instabil in der Längsbewegung und fliegt bei hohen Unterschall-Geschwindigkeiten Kurvendiameter von wenigen hundert Metern.
Im Überschallbereich ist das Flugzeug instabil in der Seitenbewegung - bei Mach 1,5 kann ein Kurvendiameter von 6 km ohne Geschwindigkeitsverlust geflogen werden.
Agility - as an Eurofighter Typhoon is agile? Can one turn with supersonic speeds still in time before the state border?
The Eurofighter Typhoon is which the agility concerns a class for itself. In the subsonic region the airplane is unstable in the longitudinal movement and flies with high subsonic speeds curve dia. meters of few hundred meters. In the supersonic range the airplane is unstable in the lateral movement - with Mach 1.5 a curve dia. meter can be flown by 6 km without losing speed.
A:
According to the formula of BFM, Turning raduis = Speed * Speed / G-loading.
# Turning radius = 3 km = 3000 meters.
# Speed = 1.5 Mach = about 440~442 meters/sec at 35,000~50,000 fts.
Then the G-loading should be 440~442 * 440~442 / 3000 = 64.5~65.1 meter / sec2 --> About 6.6G
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F-15C v.s EF-2K v.s F-22A
EMPTY-WEIGHT：
F-15C：12,973 kg ~ 13,427 kg（With AN/APG-63V2 AESA radar）
EF-2K：11,000 kg ~ 11,150 kg
F-22A：18,144 kg ~ 19,489 kg
STANDARD TAKING-OFF WEIGHT FOR A-A MISSION：
F-15C：20,350 ~ 20,830 kg
EF-2K：17,250 ~ 17,400 kg
F-22A：27,216 ~ 28,125 kg
WING-AREA：
F-15C：56.48 m2
EF-2K：50.00 m2
F-22A：78.03 m2
T/W，AB：
F-15C：1.038~1.062
EF-2K：1.055~1.065（May be increased to 1.113~1.172)
F-22A：1.129~1.300
T/W，MAX. MIL：
F-15C：0.639~0.654
EF-2K：0.703~0.710（May be increased to 0.808~0.817)
F-22A：0.822~0.850
WING-LOADING：
F-15C：360.30~368.80 kg/m2
EF-2K：345.00~348.00 kg/m2
F-22A：348.79~360.44 kg/m2
SERVICE CEILING：
F-15C：60,000 fts
EF-2K：62,000~65,000 fts
F-22A：70,000 fts
TAKING-OFF：
F-15C：900 fts
EF-2K：less than 900 fts
F-22A：800 fts
LANDING：
F-15C：3,500 fts
EF-2K：1,640 fts
FERRY-RANGE：
F-15C：5,745 km（6,103 kg internal fuel + 4,423 kgCFTs fuel + 5,395 kg tanks' fuel）
EF-2K：2,600 km（4,996 kg internal fuel ）
EF-2K：3,706 km（4,996 kg internal fuel + 1,000~1,500 L tanks*2）
F-22A：2,728 ~ 3,500 km（8,300~9,300 kg internal fuel ）
FLIGHT-ENVELOPE, 1G:
Fighters: F-22A RAPTOR／EF-2000 TYPHOON／F-15C EAGLE
Sea-level: 0.15~1.21 Mach／0.15~1.15 Mach／0.15~1.00 Mach
10,000ft: 0.15~1.40 Mach／0.19~1.40 Mach／0.15~1.10 Mach
20,000ft: 0.18~1.75 Mach／0.22~1.65 Mach／0.20~1.30 Mach
25,000ft: 0.20~2.00 Mach／0.28~1.85 Mach／0.25~1.45 Mach
30,000ft: 0.25~2.00 Mach／0.30~2.00 Mach／0.30~1.60 Mach
40,000ft: 0.30~2.00 Mach／0.35~2.00 Mach／0.40~1.76 Mach
45,000ft: 0.40~2.00 Mach／0.40~2.00 Mach／0.55~1.70 Mach
50,000ft: 0.50~2.00 Mach／0.45~2.00 Mach／0.65~1.60 Mach
55,000ft: 0.60~2.00 Mach／0.50~2.00 Mach／
60,000ft: 0.70~2.00 Mach／0.75~1.85 Mach
65,000ft: 1.00~2.00 Mach／0.88~1.70 Mach
67,500ft: 1.20~2.00 Mach／
FRONTAL RCS:
F-22A：0.00015 ~ 0.00060m2..........1~4 --> 1.00~1.40
F-35A：0.0012 ~ 0.0015m2...........8~10 --> 1.68~1.78
EF-2k：0.05 ~ 0.25m2...........333~1666 --> 4.27~6.39
F-15C：10 ~ 25m2...........66666~166666 --> 16.07~20.21
Radar Detection Range:
F-22A, APG-77：200~230 km for RCS 1m2 target.......Score: 222~256
F-35A, APG-81：160~185 km for RCS 1m2 target.......Score: 167~205
F-15C, V2/V3：144~185 km for RCS 1m2 target.........Score: 160~205
EF-2K, Captor：185~280 km for RCS 5m2 target........Score: 137~208
F-15C, APG-63：160 km for RCS 5~10 m2 target........Score: 100~119
EMPTY-WEIGHT：
F-15C：12,973 kg ~ 13,427 kg（With AN/APG-63V2 AESA radar）
EF-2K：11,000 kg ~ 11,150 kg
F-22A：18,144 kg ~ 19,489 kg
STANDARD TAKING-OFF WEIGHT FOR A-A MISSION：
F-15C：20,350 ~ 20,830 kg
EF-2K：17,250 ~ 17,400 kg
F-22A：27,216 ~ 28,125 kg
WING-AREA：
F-15C：56.48 m2
EF-2K：50.00 m2
F-22A：78.03 m2
T/W，AB：
F-15C：1.038~1.062
EF-2K：1.055~1.065（May be increased to 1.113~1.172)
F-22A：1.129~1.300
T/W，MAX. MIL：
F-15C：0.639~0.654
EF-2K：0.703~0.710（May be increased to 0.808~0.817)
F-22A：0.822~0.850
WING-LOADING：
F-15C：360.30~368.80 kg/m2
EF-2K：345.00~348.00 kg/m2
F-22A：348.79~360.44 kg/m2
SERVICE CEILING：
F-15C：60,000 fts
EF-2K：62,000~65,000 fts
F-22A：70,000 fts
TAKING-OFF：
F-15C：900 fts
EF-2K：less than 900 fts
F-22A：800 fts
LANDING：
F-15C：3,500 fts
EF-2K：1,640 fts
FERRY-RANGE：
F-15C：5,745 km（6,103 kg internal fuel + 4,423 kgCFTs fuel + 5,395 kg tanks' fuel）
EF-2K：2,600 km（4,996 kg internal fuel ）
EF-2K：3,706 km（4,996 kg internal fuel + 1,000~1,500 L tanks*2）
F-22A：2,728 ~ 3,500 km（8,300~9,300 kg internal fuel ）
FLIGHT-ENVELOPE, 1G:
Fighters: F-22A RAPTOR／EF-2000 TYPHOON／F-15C EAGLE
Sea-level: 0.15~1.21 Mach／0.15~1.15 Mach／0.15~1.00 Mach
10,000ft: 0.15~1.40 Mach／0.19~1.40 Mach／0.15~1.10 Mach
20,000ft: 0.18~1.75 Mach／0.22~1.65 Mach／0.20~1.30 Mach
25,000ft: 0.20~2.00 Mach／0.28~1.85 Mach／0.25~1.45 Mach
30,000ft: 0.25~2.00 Mach／0.30~2.00 Mach／0.30~1.60 Mach
40,000ft: 0.30~2.00 Mach／0.35~2.00 Mach／0.40~1.76 Mach
45,000ft: 0.40~2.00 Mach／0.40~2.00 Mach／0.55~1.70 Mach
50,000ft: 0.50~2.00 Mach／0.45~2.00 Mach／0.65~1.60 Mach
55,000ft: 0.60~2.00 Mach／0.50~2.00 Mach／
60,000ft: 0.70~2.00 Mach／0.75~1.85 Mach
65,000ft: 1.00~2.00 Mach／0.88~1.70 Mach
67,500ft: 1.20~2.00 Mach／
FRONTAL RCS:
F-22A：0.00015 ~ 0.00060m2..........1~4 --> 1.00~1.40
F-35A：0.0012 ~ 0.0015m2...........8~10 --> 1.68~1.78
EF-2k：0.05 ~ 0.25m2...........333~1666 --> 4.27~6.39
F-15C：10 ~ 25m2...........66666~166666 --> 16.07~20.21
Radar Detection Range:
F-22A, APG-77：200~230 km for RCS 1m2 target.......Score: 222~256
F-35A, APG-81：160~185 km for RCS 1m2 target.......Score: 167~205
F-15C, V2/V3：144~185 km for RCS 1m2 target.........Score: 160~205
EF-2K, Captor：185~280 km for RCS 5m2 target........Score: 137~208
F-15C, APG-63：160 km for RCS 5~10 m2 target........Score: 100~119
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Exellent work here, toan.
I'd like to add, that there are rumors, that some B-2 appeared on survailance radars during aliied force, over the comabt area.
What i like to say is: The RCS of F-22 and F-35 are claimed to be so incredibly low for such big aircrafts.
Will see what we hear when these planes are operational.
I'd like to add, that there are rumors, that some B-2 appeared on survailance radars during aliied force, over the comabt area.
What i like to say is: The RCS of F-22 and F-35 are claimed to be so incredibly low for such big aircrafts.
Will see what we hear when these planes are operational.
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CheckSix wrote:Exellent work here, toan.
I'd like to add, that there are rumors, that some B-2 appeared on survailance radars during aliied force, over the comabt area.
What i like to say is: The RCS of F-22 and F-35 are claimed to be so incredibly low for such big aircrafts.
Will see what we hear when these planes are operational.
1. Thank you for your admiration, Mr. Check six.
2. In fact, each data of RCS mentioned above is the minimal frontal RCS, and even for stealthy fighter, its RCS from lateral or rear aspect will still be much bigger than its frontal RCS. So in the real comabt area, the stealthy fighters still has chance to be found by enemy's or friend's radar from lateral or rear aspect at a significantly longer distance than it can be found from the frontal aspect.
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The range data for original AMRAAM (AIM-120A/B/C4) should be:
1. Maximal range：74 km
2. Maximal effective range：50 km
3. Maximal NEZ range：25~30 km
According to IDR, 1997~1999, USA prepares to upgrade AIM-120 in three stages：
Stage 1：finished in 2005, 25% increase in range（AIM-120C5/C7).
Stage 2：finished in 2010, 50% increase in range（AIM-120D).
Stage 3：finished in 2015, 100% increase in range（AIM-120?).
Therefore, according to my personal estimation:
AIM-120C5/C7, post-2005：
1. Maximal range：92.5 km --> 139~148 km（F-22A with Supercruise）
2. Maximal effective range：62.5 km --> 94~100 km（F-22A with S-C)
3. Maximal NEZ range：32~37.5 km --> 48~60 km（F-22A with S-C)
AIM-120D, post-2010：
1. Maximal range：111 km --> 166~178 km（F-22A with Supercruise）
2. Maximal effective range：75 km --> 112~120 km（F-22A with S-C)
3. Maximal NEZ range：37.5~45 km --> 56~72 km（F-22A with S-C)
AIM-120?, post-2015：
1. Maximal range：148 km --> 220~240 km（F-22A with Supercruise）
2. Maximal effective range：100 km --> 150~160 km（F-22A with S-C)
3. Maximal NEZ range：50~60 km --> 75~96 km（F-22A with S-C)
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As for the requirement of Meteor：
1. Maximal range：200~250 km+
2. Maximal effective range：150~200 km+
3. Maximal NEZ range：80~100 km+
PS:
1. CAPTOR's effective tracking range for the following target in head-to-head engagement (today):
10 m2 RCS --> 220 km（Su-27, F-15）
5 m2 RCS --> 185 km（Mig-29）
3 m2 RCS --> 161 km（F/A-18C/D）
1 m2 RCS --> 124 km（F-16, Mig-35）
0.1 m2 RCS --> 70 km（F/A-18E/F, Rafale, Cruise missile）
0.01 m2 RCS --> 39 km（Stealthy cruise missile）
0.001~0.002 m2 --> 22~26 km（F-35）
2. CAPTOR's effective tracking range for the following target in head-to-head engagement (with AESA after 2015):
10 m2 RCS --> 330~385 km+（Su-27, F-15）
5 m2 RCS --> 275~325 km+（Mig-29）
3 m2 RCS --> 240~280 km+（F/A-18C/D）
1 m2 RCS --> 185~217 km+（F-16, Mig-35）
0.1 m2 RCS --> 105~123 km（F/A-18E/F, Rafale, Cruise missile）
0.01 m2 RCS --> 60~70 km（F/A-18E/F Block3, Stealthy cruise missile）
0.001~0.002 m2 --> 35~45 km（F-35, T-50/PAK-FA??）
1. Maximal range：74 km
2. Maximal effective range：50 km
3. Maximal NEZ range：25~30 km
According to IDR, 1997~1999, USA prepares to upgrade AIM-120 in three stages：
Stage 1：finished in 2005, 25% increase in range（AIM-120C5/C7).
Stage 2：finished in 2010, 50% increase in range（AIM-120D).
Stage 3：finished in 2015, 100% increase in range（AIM-120?).
Therefore, according to my personal estimation:
AIM-120C5/C7, post-2005：
1. Maximal range：92.5 km --> 139~148 km（F-22A with Supercruise）
2. Maximal effective range：62.5 km --> 94~100 km（F-22A with S-C)
3. Maximal NEZ range：32~37.5 km --> 48~60 km（F-22A with S-C)
AIM-120D, post-2010：
1. Maximal range：111 km --> 166~178 km（F-22A with Supercruise）
2. Maximal effective range：75 km --> 112~120 km（F-22A with S-C)
3. Maximal NEZ range：37.5~45 km --> 56~72 km（F-22A with S-C)
AIM-120?, post-2015：
1. Maximal range：148 km --> 220~240 km（F-22A with Supercruise）
2. Maximal effective range：100 km --> 150~160 km（F-22A with S-C)
3. Maximal NEZ range：50~60 km --> 75~96 km（F-22A with S-C)
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As for the requirement of Meteor：
1. Maximal range：200~250 km+
2. Maximal effective range：150~200 km+
3. Maximal NEZ range：80~100 km+
PS:
1. CAPTOR's effective tracking range for the following target in head-to-head engagement (today):
10 m2 RCS --> 220 km（Su-27, F-15）
5 m2 RCS --> 185 km（Mig-29）
3 m2 RCS --> 161 km（F/A-18C/D）
1 m2 RCS --> 124 km（F-16, Mig-35）
0.1 m2 RCS --> 70 km（F/A-18E/F, Rafale, Cruise missile）
0.01 m2 RCS --> 39 km（Stealthy cruise missile）
0.001~0.002 m2 --> 22~26 km（F-35）
2. CAPTOR's effective tracking range for the following target in head-to-head engagement (with AESA after 2015):
10 m2 RCS --> 330~385 km+（Su-27, F-15）
5 m2 RCS --> 275~325 km+（Mig-29）
3 m2 RCS --> 240~280 km+（F/A-18C/D）
1 m2 RCS --> 185~217 km+（F-16, Mig-35）
0.1 m2 RCS --> 105~123 km（F/A-18E/F, Rafale, Cruise missile）
0.01 m2 RCS --> 60~70 km（F/A-18E/F Block3, Stealthy cruise missile）
0.001~0.002 m2 --> 35~45 km（F-35, T-50/PAK-FA??）
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F-22A, F-35A, F-35B, F-35C, F-15E, F-16E, F/A-18 E, EF-2000, Rafale C, and MIG-35 (2007 Revise)
A. Empty weight:
* F-22A: 18,144 ~ 19,600 kg
* F-35A: 13,170 kg
* F-35B: 14,588 kg
* F-35C: 14,548 kg
* F-15E: 14,515 kg
* F-16E: 9,980 kg
* F-18E: 13,860 kg
* EF-2K: 10,995 ~ 11,150 kg
* Rafale C: 9,500 ~ 9,850 kg
* MIG-35: 12,000 kg
B. Internal Fuel:
* F-22A: 9,072 ~ 9,800 kg
* F-35A: 8,382 kg
* F-35B: 6,352 kg
* F-35C: 9,111 kg
* F-15E: 5,920 kg
* F-16E: 3,160 kg
* F-18E: 6,532 kg
* EF-2K: 4,600 ~ 4,996 kg
* Rafale: 4,700 kg
* MIG-35: 4,800 kg
C. Wing Surface Area:
* F-22A: 78.03 m2
* F-35A: 42.74 m2
* F-35B: 42.74 m2
* F-35C: 57.60 m2
* F-15E: 56.50 m2
* F-16E: 27.87 m2
* F-18E: 46.45 m2
* EF-2K: 50.00 m2
* Rafale: 45.70 m2
* MIG-35: 38.00 m2
D. Comparison of air-combat weight, T/W ratio, and wing-load among these fighters at the "fair" condition (with the same kind and the amount of AAM weapons + roughly equal combat radius):
* F-22A: 6,500 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-35: 5,000 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-15E: 5,920 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-16E: 3,160 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-18E: 5,500 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* EF-2K: 4,600 ~ 4,996 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + ASRAAM*2
* RAFALE: 4,700 kg internal fuel + MICA EM*4 + MICA IR*2
* MIG-35: 4,800 kg internal fuel + R-77*4 + R-73M2*2
E. Air-combat weight:
* F-22A: 25,700 ~ 27, 200 kg
* F-35A: 19,270 kg
* F-35B: 20,700 kg
* F-35C: 20,650 kg
* F-15E: 21,550 kg
* F-16E: 14,250 kg
* F-18E: 20,450 kg
* EF-2K: 16,790 ~ 17,250 kg
* Rafale: 15,100 ~ 15,450 kg
* MIG-35: 18,000 kg
F. Wing-load (E/C):
* F-22A: 329.4 ~ 348.6 kg/m2
* F-35A: 450.9 kg/m2
* F-35B: 484.3 kg/m2
* F-35C: 358.5 kg/m2
* F-15E: 381.4 kg/m2
* F-16E: 511.3 kg/m2
* F-18E: 440.3 kg/m2
* EF-2K: 335.8 ~ 345.0 kg/m2
* Rafale: 330.4 ~ 338.1 kg/m2
* MIG-35: 473.7 kg/m2
G. T/W ratio, sea-level (AB thrust / Maximal military thrust):
* F-22A: 1.167 ~ 1.412 / 0.850 ~ 0.921 (F119, 35,000 ~ 40,000 Ib / 25,500 ~ 26,100 Ib *2)
* F-35A: 0.942 ~ 1.059 / 0.680 (F135, 40,000 ~ 45,000 Ib / 28,900 Ib *1)
* F-35B: 0.877 ~ 0.986 / 0.633 (F135, 40,000 ~ 45,000 Ib / 28,900 Ib *1)
* F-35C: 0.879 ~ 0.988 / 0.635 (F135, 40,000 ~ 45,000 Ib / 28,900 Ib *1)
* F-15E: 1.225 / 0.749 (F100-PW-229, 29,100 Ib / 17,800 Ib *2)
* F-16E: 1.019 ~ 1.082 / 0.605 (F110-GE-132, 32,000 ~ 34,000 Ib / 19,000 Ib *1)
* F-18E: 0.976 / 0.621 (F414-GE-400, nowadays, 22,000 Ib / 14,000 Ib *2)
* F-18E: 1.171 ~ 1.220 / 0.745 ~ 0.776 (F414-GE-???, post-2015?, 26,400 ~ 27,500 Ib / 16,800 ~ 17,500 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.065 ~ 1.094 / 0.710 ~ 0.730 (EJ200, peace time, 20,250 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.124 ~ 1.154 / 0.816 ~ 0.840 (EJ200, war time, 21,370 Ib / 15,525 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.172 ~ 1.203 / 0.816 ~ 0.840 (EJ200, small revision, 22,275 Ib / 15,525 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.224 ~ 1.258 / 0.852 ~ 0.876 (EJ230, post-2010~2015?, 23,280 Ib / 16,200 Ib *2)
* RAFALE C: 0.989 ~ 1.012 / 0.670 (M88-2, 16,850 ~ 17,000 Ib / 11,245 Ib *2)
* RAFALE C: 1.150 ~ 1.210 / 0.770 ~ 0.800 (M88-3, 20,000 ~ 20,500 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2)
* MIG-35: 1.000 / 0.600 (RD-33MKV, 19,840 Ib / 11,900 Ib *2)
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Score of AB and Max. Mil T/W ratio:
F-35B: 88 ~ 99 / 105
F-35C: 88 ~ 99 / 106
F-18E: 98 / 104 (F414 nowadays)
MIG-35: 100 / 100
Rafale C: 100 / 112 (M88-2)
F-35A: 94 ~ 106 / 113
F-16E: 102 ~ 108 / 101
EF-2000: 106 ~ 109 / 118 ~ 122 (EJ-200, peace time)
EF-2000: 112 ~ 115 / 136 ~ 140 (EJ-200, war time)
EF-2000: 117 ~ 120 / 136 ~ 140 (EJ-200, small revision)
Rafale C: 115 ~ 121 / 128 ~ 133 (M88-3, post 2012?)
F-18E: 117 ~ 122 / 124 ~ 129 (Possible F414 upgrading)
F-15E: 123 / 125
EF-2000: 122 ~ 126 / 142 ~ 146 (EJ-230, post 2010~2015?)
F-22A: 117 ~ 141 / 142 ~ 154
A. Empty weight:
* F-22A: 18,144 ~ 19,600 kg
* F-35A: 13,170 kg
* F-35B: 14,588 kg
* F-35C: 14,548 kg
* F-15E: 14,515 kg
* F-16E: 9,980 kg
* F-18E: 13,860 kg
* EF-2K: 10,995 ~ 11,150 kg
* Rafale C: 9,500 ~ 9,850 kg
* MIG-35: 12,000 kg
B. Internal Fuel:
* F-22A: 9,072 ~ 9,800 kg
* F-35A: 8,382 kg
* F-35B: 6,352 kg
* F-35C: 9,111 kg
* F-15E: 5,920 kg
* F-16E: 3,160 kg
* F-18E: 6,532 kg
* EF-2K: 4,600 ~ 4,996 kg
* Rafale: 4,700 kg
* MIG-35: 4,800 kg
C. Wing Surface Area:
* F-22A: 78.03 m2
* F-35A: 42.74 m2
* F-35B: 42.74 m2
* F-35C: 57.60 m2
* F-15E: 56.50 m2
* F-16E: 27.87 m2
* F-18E: 46.45 m2
* EF-2K: 50.00 m2
* Rafale: 45.70 m2
* MIG-35: 38.00 m2
D. Comparison of air-combat weight, T/W ratio, and wing-load among these fighters at the "fair" condition (with the same kind and the amount of AAM weapons + roughly equal combat radius):
* F-22A: 6,500 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-35: 5,000 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-15E: 5,920 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-16E: 3,160 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* F-18E: 5,500 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + AIM-9X*2
* EF-2K: 4,600 ~ 4,996 kg internal fuel + AIM-120*4 + ASRAAM*2
* RAFALE: 4,700 kg internal fuel + MICA EM*4 + MICA IR*2
* MIG-35: 4,800 kg internal fuel + R-77*4 + R-73M2*2
E. Air-combat weight:
* F-22A: 25,700 ~ 27, 200 kg
* F-35A: 19,270 kg
* F-35B: 20,700 kg
* F-35C: 20,650 kg
* F-15E: 21,550 kg
* F-16E: 14,250 kg
* F-18E: 20,450 kg
* EF-2K: 16,790 ~ 17,250 kg
* Rafale: 15,100 ~ 15,450 kg
* MIG-35: 18,000 kg
F. Wing-load (E/C):
* F-22A: 329.4 ~ 348.6 kg/m2
* F-35A: 450.9 kg/m2
* F-35B: 484.3 kg/m2
* F-35C: 358.5 kg/m2
* F-15E: 381.4 kg/m2
* F-16E: 511.3 kg/m2
* F-18E: 440.3 kg/m2
* EF-2K: 335.8 ~ 345.0 kg/m2
* Rafale: 330.4 ~ 338.1 kg/m2
* MIG-35: 473.7 kg/m2
G. T/W ratio, sea-level (AB thrust / Maximal military thrust):
* F-22A: 1.167 ~ 1.412 / 0.850 ~ 0.921 (F119, 35,000 ~ 40,000 Ib / 25,500 ~ 26,100 Ib *2)
* F-35A: 0.942 ~ 1.059 / 0.680 (F135, 40,000 ~ 45,000 Ib / 28,900 Ib *1)
* F-35B: 0.877 ~ 0.986 / 0.633 (F135, 40,000 ~ 45,000 Ib / 28,900 Ib *1)
* F-35C: 0.879 ~ 0.988 / 0.635 (F135, 40,000 ~ 45,000 Ib / 28,900 Ib *1)
* F-15E: 1.225 / 0.749 (F100-PW-229, 29,100 Ib / 17,800 Ib *2)
* F-16E: 1.019 ~ 1.082 / 0.605 (F110-GE-132, 32,000 ~ 34,000 Ib / 19,000 Ib *1)
* F-18E: 0.976 / 0.621 (F414-GE-400, nowadays, 22,000 Ib / 14,000 Ib *2)
* F-18E: 1.171 ~ 1.220 / 0.745 ~ 0.776 (F414-GE-???, post-2015?, 26,400 ~ 27,500 Ib / 16,800 ~ 17,500 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.065 ~ 1.094 / 0.710 ~ 0.730 (EJ200, peace time, 20,250 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.124 ~ 1.154 / 0.816 ~ 0.840 (EJ200, war time, 21,370 Ib / 15,525 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.172 ~ 1.203 / 0.816 ~ 0.840 (EJ200, small revision, 22,275 Ib / 15,525 Ib *2)
* EF-2K: 1.224 ~ 1.258 / 0.852 ~ 0.876 (EJ230, post-2010~2015?, 23,280 Ib / 16,200 Ib *2)
* RAFALE C: 0.989 ~ 1.012 / 0.670 (M88-2, 16,850 ~ 17,000 Ib / 11,245 Ib *2)
* RAFALE C: 1.150 ~ 1.210 / 0.770 ~ 0.800 (M88-3, 20,000 ~ 20,500 Ib / 13,500 Ib *2)
* MIG-35: 1.000 / 0.600 (RD-33MKV, 19,840 Ib / 11,900 Ib *2)
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Score of AB and Max. Mil T/W ratio:
F-35B: 88 ~ 99 / 105
F-35C: 88 ~ 99 / 106
F-18E: 98 / 104 (F414 nowadays)
MIG-35: 100 / 100
Rafale C: 100 / 112 (M88-2)
F-35A: 94 ~ 106 / 113
F-16E: 102 ~ 108 / 101
EF-2000: 106 ~ 109 / 118 ~ 122 (EJ-200, peace time)
EF-2000: 112 ~ 115 / 136 ~ 140 (EJ-200, war time)
EF-2000: 117 ~ 120 / 136 ~ 140 (EJ-200, small revision)
Rafale C: 115 ~ 121 / 128 ~ 133 (M88-3, post 2012?)
F-18E: 117 ~ 122 / 124 ~ 129 (Possible F414 upgrading)
F-15E: 123 / 125
EF-2000: 122 ~ 126 / 142 ~ 146 (EJ-230, post 2010~2015?)
F-22A: 117 ~ 141 / 142 ~ 154
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F-15C v.s EF-2K v.s F-22A (2007 Revise)
EMPTY-WEIGHT：
F-15C：12,973 kg ~ 13,427 kg（With AN/APG-63V2 AESA radar）
EF-2K：10,995 kg ~ 11,150 kg
F-22A：18,144 kg ~ 19,600 kg
INTERNAL-FUEL：
F-15C：6,103 kg
EF-2K：4,600 kg ~ 4,996 kg
F-22A：9,072 kg ~ 9,800 kg
STANDARD TAKING-OFF WEIGHT FOR A-A MISSION：
F-15C：20,500 ~ 20,930 kg
EF-2K：17,000 ~ 17,500 kg
F-22A：28,600 ~ 30,750 kg
WING-AREA：
F-15C：56.48 m2
EF-2K：50.00 m2
F-22A：78.03 m2
T/W of Taking-off with standard AA configuration（100% internal fuel + 6MRAAM + 2SRAAM），AB：
F-15C：1.030~1.052
EF-2K：1.050~1.081（Peace time)
EF-2K：1.108~1.140 (War time)
EF-2K：1.155~1.189 (EJ-200 with small revision)
EF-2K：1.208~1.243（EJ-230 upgrading）
F-22A：1.033~1.110 (F-119, Official declaration, 35,000 Ibs*2)
F-22A：1.121~1.269 (F-119, Actual performance, 38,000 ~ 40,000 Ibs*2)
T/W of Taking-off with standard AA configuration（100% internal fuel + 6MRAAM + 2SRAAM），MAX. MIL：
F-15C：0.634~0.648
EF-2K：0.700~0.721（Peace time)
EF-2K：0.805~0.829 (War time)
EF-2K：0.805~0.829 (EJ-200 with small revision)
EF-2K：0.840~0.865（EJ-230 upgrading）
F-22A：0.752~0.809 (F-119, Official declaration, 25,500 Ibs*2)
F-22A：0.770~0.828 (F-119, Actual performance, 26,100 Ibs*2)
WING-LOADING of Taking-off with standard AA configuration：
F-15C：362.96~370.57 kg/m2
EF-2K：340.00~350.00 kg/m2
F-22A：366.53~394.08 kg/m2
SERVICE CEILING：
F-15C：60,000 fts
EF-2K：65,000 fts
F-22A：65,000~70,000 fts
TAKING-OFF：
F-15C：900 fts
EF-2K：less than 900 fts
F-22A：800 fts
LANDING：
F-15C：3,500 fts
EF-2K：1,640 fts
FERRY-RANGE：
F-15C：5,745 km（6,103 kg internal fuel + 4,423 kg CFTs fuel + 5,395 kg tanks' fuel）
EF-2K：2,600 km（4,600~4,996 kg internal fuel ）
EF-2K：3,706 km（4,600~4,996 kg internal fuel + 1,000~1,500 L tanks*2）
F-22A：2,728 ~ 3,500 km（9,072~9,800 kg internal fuel ）
FLIGHT-ENVELOPE, 1G：
Fighters: F-22A RAPTOR／EF-2000 TYPHOON／F-15C EAGLE
Sea-level: 0.15~1.21 Mach／0.15~1.15 Mach／0.15~1.00 Mach
10,000ft: 0.15~1.40 Mach／0.19~1.40 Mach／0.15~1.10 Mach
20,000ft: 0.18~1.75 Mach／0.22~1.65 Mach／0.20~1.30 Mach
25,000ft: 0.20~2.00 Mach／0.28~1.85 Mach／0.25~1.45 Mach
30,000ft: 0.25~2.00 Mach／0.30~2.00 Mach／0.30~1.60 Mach
40,000ft: 0.30~2.00 Mach／0.35~2.00 Mach／0.40~1.76 Mach
45,000ft: 0.40~2.00 Mach／0.40~2.00 Mach／0.55~1.70 Mach
50,000ft: 0.50~2.00 Mach／0.45~2.00 Mach／0.65~1.60 Mach
55,000ft: 0.60~2.00 Mach／0.50~2.00 Mach／
60,000ft: 0.70~2.00 Mach／0.75~1.85 Mach
65,000ft: 1.00~2.00 Mach／0.88~1.70 Mach
67,500ft: 1.20~2.00 Mach／
FRONTAL RCS：
F-22A：0.00015 ~ 0.00060m2.............1~4 --> 1.00~1.40
F-35A：0.0012 ~ 0.0015m2...............8~10 --> 1.68~1.78
EF-2k：0.05 ~ 0.5 m2...............333~3332 --> 4.27~7.60
F-15C：10 ~ 25m2.............66666~166666 --> 16.07~20.21
Radar Tracking Range：
F-22A, APG-77：200~230 km for RCS 1m2 target.............Score: 222~256
EF-2K, CAPTOR-E：161~186 km+ for RCS 1m2 target........Score: 179~207+ （Post-2014）
F-35A, APG-81：160~185 km for RCS 1m2 target.............Score: 177~206
F-15C, V2/V3：144~185 km for RCS 1m2 target...............Score: 160~206
EF-2K, CAPTOR-M：107~124 km+ for RCS 1m2 target......Score: 119~138+ （Today）
F-15C, APG-63：90 km for RCS 1 m2 target......................Score: 100
EMPTY-WEIGHT：
F-15C：12,973 kg ~ 13,427 kg（With AN/APG-63V2 AESA radar）
EF-2K：10,995 kg ~ 11,150 kg
F-22A：18,144 kg ~ 19,600 kg
INTERNAL-FUEL：
F-15C：6,103 kg
EF-2K：4,600 kg ~ 4,996 kg
F-22A：9,072 kg ~ 9,800 kg
STANDARD TAKING-OFF WEIGHT FOR A-A MISSION：
F-15C：20,500 ~ 20,930 kg
EF-2K：17,000 ~ 17,500 kg
F-22A：28,600 ~ 30,750 kg
WING-AREA：
F-15C：56.48 m2
EF-2K：50.00 m2
F-22A：78.03 m2
T/W of Taking-off with standard AA configuration（100% internal fuel + 6MRAAM + 2SRAAM），AB：
F-15C：1.030~1.052
EF-2K：1.050~1.081（Peace time)
EF-2K：1.108~1.140 (War time)
EF-2K：1.155~1.189 (EJ-200 with small revision)
EF-2K：1.208~1.243（EJ-230 upgrading）
F-22A：1.033~1.110 (F-119, Official declaration, 35,000 Ibs*2)
F-22A：1.121~1.269 (F-119, Actual performance, 38,000 ~ 40,000 Ibs*2)
T/W of Taking-off with standard AA configuration（100% internal fuel + 6MRAAM + 2SRAAM），MAX. MIL：
F-15C：0.634~0.648
EF-2K：0.700~0.721（Peace time)
EF-2K：0.805~0.829 (War time)
EF-2K：0.805~0.829 (EJ-200 with small revision)
EF-2K：0.840~0.865（EJ-230 upgrading）
F-22A：0.752~0.809 (F-119, Official declaration, 25,500 Ibs*2)
F-22A：0.770~0.828 (F-119, Actual performance, 26,100 Ibs*2)
WING-LOADING of Taking-off with standard AA configuration：
F-15C：362.96~370.57 kg/m2
EF-2K：340.00~350.00 kg/m2
F-22A：366.53~394.08 kg/m2
SERVICE CEILING：
F-15C：60,000 fts
EF-2K：65,000 fts
F-22A：65,000~70,000 fts
TAKING-OFF：
F-15C：900 fts
EF-2K：less than 900 fts
F-22A：800 fts
LANDING：
F-15C：3,500 fts
EF-2K：1,640 fts
FERRY-RANGE：
F-15C：5,745 km（6,103 kg internal fuel + 4,423 kg CFTs fuel + 5,395 kg tanks' fuel）
EF-2K：2,600 km（4,600~4,996 kg internal fuel ）
EF-2K：3,706 km（4,600~4,996 kg internal fuel + 1,000~1,500 L tanks*2）
F-22A：2,728 ~ 3,500 km（9,072~9,800 kg internal fuel ）
FLIGHT-ENVELOPE, 1G：
Fighters: F-22A RAPTOR／EF-2000 TYPHOON／F-15C EAGLE
Sea-level: 0.15~1.21 Mach／0.15~1.15 Mach／0.15~1.00 Mach
10,000ft: 0.15~1.40 Mach／0.19~1.40 Mach／0.15~1.10 Mach
20,000ft: 0.18~1.75 Mach／0.22~1.65 Mach／0.20~1.30 Mach
25,000ft: 0.20~2.00 Mach／0.28~1.85 Mach／0.25~1.45 Mach
30,000ft: 0.25~2.00 Mach／0.30~2.00 Mach／0.30~1.60 Mach
40,000ft: 0.30~2.00 Mach／0.35~2.00 Mach／0.40~1.76 Mach
45,000ft: 0.40~2.00 Mach／0.40~2.00 Mach／0.55~1.70 Mach
50,000ft: 0.50~2.00 Mach／0.45~2.00 Mach／0.65~1.60 Mach
55,000ft: 0.60~2.00 Mach／0.50~2.00 Mach／
60,000ft: 0.70~2.00 Mach／0.75~1.85 Mach
65,000ft: 1.00~2.00 Mach／0.88~1.70 Mach
67,500ft: 1.20~2.00 Mach／
FRONTAL RCS：
F-22A：0.00015 ~ 0.00060m2.............1~4 --> 1.00~1.40
F-35A：0.0012 ~ 0.0015m2...............8~10 --> 1.68~1.78
EF-2k：0.05 ~ 0.5 m2...............333~3332 --> 4.27~7.60
F-15C：10 ~ 25m2.............66666~166666 --> 16.07~20.21
Radar Tracking Range：
F-22A, APG-77：200~230 km for RCS 1m2 target.............Score: 222~256
EF-2K, CAPTOR-E：161~186 km+ for RCS 1m2 target........Score: 179~207+ （Post-2014）
F-35A, APG-81：160~185 km for RCS 1m2 target.............Score: 177~206
F-15C, V2/V3：144~185 km for RCS 1m2 target...............Score: 160~206
EF-2K, CAPTOR-M：107~124 km+ for RCS 1m2 target......Score: 119~138+ （Today）
F-15C, APG-63：90 km for RCS 1 m2 target......................Score: 100
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toan wrote:F-15C v.s EF-2K v.s F-22A (2007 Revise)
INTERNAL-FUEL：
F-15C：6,103 kg
EF-2K：4,600 kg ~ 4,996 kg
F-22A：9,072 kg ~ 9,800 kg
I'm curious, why are you showing such a range for internal fuel on the F-22? USAF Technical order 00-105E-9, which is not classified, clearly indicates the internal fuel load is 20,650lbs. i.e. about 9,390kg.
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BDF wrote:toan wrote:F-15C v.s EF-2K v.s F-22A (2007 Revise)
INTERNAL-FUEL：
F-15C：6,103 kg
EF-2K：4,600 kg ~ 4,996 kg
F-22A：9,072 kg ~ 9,800 kg
I'm curious, why are you showing such a range for internal fuel on the F-22? USAF Technical order 00-105E-9, which is not classified, clearly indicates the internal fuel load is 20,650lbs. i.e. about 9,390kg.
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A: The range of the density of JP-8 fuel is from 0.775 to 0.840.
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toan wrote:A: The range of the density of JP-8 fuel is from 0.775 to 0.840.
That doesn't make sense to me; all fuels have a density range for their standardized temp. (15 degrees C usually), why would you make fuel loading variable for the F-22 and not the others? Better yet, it’s simply much easier to assume a standard weight and keep things standardized for all types (which are almost always common in brochure and technical pubs).
For instance 00-105-9E states the fuel capacity at a standard weight of 6.7lbs/gallon. I don’t mean to sound combative or critical, it’s just if you going to make comparisons try to keep things as standard as possible. Showing a range like that for one type and not the other implies you either don’t know the value or you don’t quite believe it. In this case there is an unclassified official document that can be found that shows exactly what the value is.
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