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Since it can't carry a SUU any more, they took off the "A"T-38C...BUT just before I left, we were working to get it back since UPT bases weren't allowed to fly the same jet/engines as IFF due to the difference in engine cycle times (slamming the jet from IDLE to MAX), and frequency of maximum allowable G on the airframe... They made our AFSC's fighter time while we were there.

Call it the AT.. it makes us older (AT-38B) dudes feel good...

Cylon

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Cylon, even though they aren't "officially" ATs anymore, do they still sport the "Shamu" paint scheme? I like the Shamu scheme, but I still miss the "Smurf" scheme.

BTW, I was slightly confused about the AT-6 comment above. Do potential fighter guys train in the Texan as well as the heavy guys?

Also, how does one determine whether they train in Tweets or Texans?

Screw the Texan. Gimme a Tweety Bird any day! Wink

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

No worries on the classification issues.

As for paint schemes, the buffoonery never ends. We went from a fairly disruptive/recognizable paint scheme to something slightly more blended when we transformed ourselves from "smurfs" to "shamus". We have re-thought things a bit, and change is on the horizon (again). First, all SUPT/JSUPT-assigned T-38s (sans IFF) will ultimately bear the "shamu" paint scheme. The only white rockets that should still be "white" these days are those operated by NASA (until I win the MegaMillions and buy my own). As for the IFF birds, well, they're going to look like F-16s...(except they'll have two engines, two intakes, two canopies...you get the idea). As intense as the IFF syllabus is, it has been decided that training would be enhanced by changing the paint scheme. In other words, since you won't find many adversaries oot & aboot who fly oddly marked aircraft, our fighter lead-in program should be updated to reflect real-world scan & ID. I'm pretty sure that the Moody homepage will have a new pic of the new scheme...it's just a gray-on-gray deal. It's a good thing they don't have to print a new Dash-1 every time they change the color of the skin!

Cheers,
Twoop

Wow...got all caught up in the fun stuff and forgot to address your questions about tweets & texans. Fair enough.

The only thing that determines whether you fly T-37s or T-6s is your base of assignment. In other words, if you're not going through SUPT at Moody AFB, GA, then you're not flying the T-6 Texan II (unless you're going through PIT out at Randolph). That's for us silver-winged folk.

Now then, if you're an NFO for the USN/USMC, I do believe that they have some T-6s for their basic course down at Pensacola. Oddly enough, they were slated to receive the airframe prior to the fellas over at Whiting.

Fear not: the T-6 will spread itself around. I'm not sure when Columbus, Vance, Laughlin, or Sheppard are supposed to be full-up T-6s.

I think you mentioned something about both fighter and heavy guys going through T-6s. The answer there is, "yes". Everyone going through JSUPT at Moody is flying the T-6. From there, they'll track to either T-44s (for those going to fly C-130s), T-1s (rest of the heavy folks), T-38s (figther/bomber), or UH-1s (for those moving on to rotary wing). So, after six months, you get to move (no matter what). If you're "lucky", you'll get to RETURN to lovely Valdosta for four months of IFF. Trust me, nothing will have changed in the seven months since you've been gone. Except maybe the governing MAJCOM.

Cheers,
Twoop

Two'sIn wrote:

Trust me, nothing will have changed in the seven months since you've been gone. Except maybe the governing MAJCOM.

Ain't that about the d@mn truth?! I remember the first time around when they were Training Command (actually ATC at the time, not AETC, which came later). Then, they traded in their 37s and 38s for Rhinos, and became a TAC unit. Then, they got Vipers, stayed with TAC, and became ACC. Then, some brainiac decided Moody was having way too much fun in the fighter biz, gave them some Texans, and Talons, and Moody went to "Allergic Excessively To Combat", er, AETC.

God only knows what comes next? Shocked

History lesson aside class, thanks for the updates on the Talon paint schemes and planes by assignment.

Basically then, when my time comes, I should ask for Laughlin or Columbus. I dread getting into a turbo prop, even if it is for 6 months. I still think the AF should've gotten the T-45 to replace the Tweet, but that's just me ranting. I love jets, what can I say? Wink

After my ride in the Tweety Bird, I was HOOKED! Very Happy

I'd love getting into that bird for 6 months. Cool

Oh yeah, that new Talon scheme/F-4 Wild Weasel/Viper scheme is called "Hill 2".

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

Thanks to everyone for the advice, and the history lesson! If any questions come up I'll let you all know. I was in Valdosta looking around 2 weekends ago and it looks to me like the north end of town is the better side. Also found out today that I'll be going TDY to Maxwell for ASBC before I even get to Moody. In the past, it was pretty common for rated officers to skip over ASBC but now they're sending everybody. I'm looking forward to it, should be a fun time meeting tons of new LTs. Don't have orders yet but was told to expect to be in Valodsta sometime in early/mid August. I'll keep you posted...

--The Battle Axe

BattleAx09 wrote:

it looks to me like the north end of town is the better side

I've been to Valdosta more times than I can count, and leaving always seems like the best part to me. Rolling Eyes

BattleAx09 wrote:

should be a fun time meeting tons of new LTs

A great thing about meeting new LTs, is when they screw up in the bar and have to buy the round, OR you meet a pretty little thing with LT bars, and she wants to...

Ok, I'll save that one for another day class...

Oh yeah, at the Officer's Club, make sure to park in the spot up front that says "Any Second Lieutenant".

Don't worry dude, I'm just breaking your balls a little. Laughing

Congrats and welcome to the big leagues! It'll be the most exciting 8 years of your life...well, you know, unless you marry Pamela Anderson. Very Happy

P.S. This is my 700th Post!! Woo Hoo! Just goes to show that TC has WAY too much time on his hands!

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

Twoop,

In reference to your "correction" re: the "AT"designation - you are correct BUT the guys who flew/fly it still call it an AT-38C - 'cause we're not the same. The official designation is expected to change to soon to differentiate us from the "white" (now shamu) jets. Our "AT's" fly with different mx schedules (due to the abuse they get there); the pilots who fly them have fighter AFSCs (11F3Q vs the 11T3K); we also get "fighter" time vs. trainer time; etc. Cylon wil back me up on that - he's gunned his fair share of Eagles, Hornets, & Vipers from the mighty (& invisible) AT.

On Topic

BattleAx - enjoy Moody, I loved my time there. Just don't gwt wrapped around the axle when things get really busy - keep your eye on the goal.

Oh yeah, here's the new AT-38 paint job. Note it also has the new "big mouth" mod and new tail section. It increased thrust 20% and decreased drag across the tail. Good combo

Ugh, what was so discriminate about the old paint jobs that they increased drag so much? Do you have some older pics?

-Aaron

HOLY CRAP, I think that photo was taken by Flex (F-15 guy) from my backseat, of our formation on the way to a fly-by (in Lubbock TX). If I'm right, I'm flying the jet taking the picture.

-Hey, I gunned an A-10 once too!

Cylon

LOL, are you serious?! interesting to see your work end up here, eh? lol

Hey, I'm new here and actually came across this thread by chance through [Link pending approval] Wink

I'm also going to Moody for UPT after gruduation (10 days now!). As far as I know, ALL pilot selects (perhaps all rated selects) are going to ASBC on June 20. It should be pretty interesting, as I imagine entire flights will be made up of incoming pilots.

I don't know about the school you went to, but 9 out of our 10 pilot selects got their #1 choice of UPT bases, with five of us going to Moody. Should be a [Link pending approval]

I also called down there this morning to find out about housing situations, and we're "on our own" pretty much from the sounds of it, so me and a buddy are heading down there the day after we commission (May Cool

to check out the apartments in the [Link pending approval] at least the ones on [Link pending approval] look fairly nice and inexpensive (compared to the ones here at Iowa State anyway.)

What's up ContactRose,

Nice to hear from someone else out there that's going to ASBC and then Moody. About 15 from our detachment are heading to Maxwell and then to Moody for UPT. Not sure about the makeup of the flights at ASBC, good friend of mine went through ASBC this winter and said that of 700 LTs, only 100 were rated and he was the only rated guy in his flight. Either way, it will be cool to hang out with everyone up there. Do you guys have orders yet because a few of us (including myself) still don't. I was in Valdosta a few weeks ago looking at apartments, there is a good list at valdostaaptguide.com. Looks to me like the north end of town is better (and closer to base). Hope that helps at least a little...

--The Battle Axe

Just a side note re: the AT-38 pic - tail 752 is wearing a slightly different paint scheme than 403. It was one of two original jets testing the scheme and the way 403 is painted is the final version of it - the way the rest of Moody's IFF jets are painted.

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