Forum: General F-35 Forum

SpudmanWP wrote:

You seem to be in the habit of not reading the entire sentence.

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btw, the biggest single chunk of WSC that is not the plane itself is Full Motion Simulators.

Take the Flyaway out of WSC and the FMS takes up more than 10% of what is left.

Throw in all the other standup costs that are thrown into WSC and you will see even more of a drop.

As far as increasing budgets, I hope they would bring the buy rates back up to 120 (F-35As) per year. They don't have the stones for that thought. They would either have to cut back O'Care & other handouts or eat the interest payments vs the lowering of WSC.

Austere budget environments will naturally effect all areas of the Federal budget pie no matter how much one wishes it to be a surgical slice of something else only.

That being said, Perhaps the near doubling of USAF's required combat aircraft Procurement budget by the end of the decade is being optimistic and not sustainable?

I guess that's part of the associated risk with this gamble of future budgets and assuming future schedules will remain as currently still estimated, in order to keep the jet affordable going forward.

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neurotech wrote:

popcorn wrote:

Thanks, that was fast.. now if you could tell me where I put my car keys? Very Happy

Do your car keys have the smart key-fob transmitter? If so, the EA-18 Growler can probably locate them with proper mission planing.

Cheers

The AN/ASQ-39 may suffice as well,. Very Happy

AN/ASQ-239

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2010 ... -collector

SpudmanWP wrote:

AN/ASQ-239

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2010 ... -collector

Yup

SpudmanWP wrote:

AN/ASQ-239

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2010 ... -collector

That is a fascinating article that should be read by all those who criticize development programs I think. Deptula is a smart man and is asking the right questions but the guys at ACC are asking the right ones back. Balancing those missions means getting smart people talking and attempting solutions. That means money. Is that money wasted? Not in my view.

If you don't ask those questions and explore those options you end up with Eurofighter Tranche 1 aircraft that can't do the things you want it to do but sure do fly around and look pretty.

bigjku wrote:

SpudmanWP wrote:

AN/ASQ-239

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2010 ... -collector

That is a fascinating article that should be read by all those who criticize development programs I think. Deptula is a smart man and is asking the right questions but the guys at ACC are asking the right ones back. Balancing those missions means getting smart people talking and attempting solutions. That means money. Is that money wasted? Not in my view.

If you don't ask those questions and explore those options you end up with Eurofighter Tranche 1 aircraft that can't do the things you want it to do but sure do fly around and look pretty.

I know I was being a smart *** before about the keys, but in modern flight test programs, its practically as much about integrating software as it is about the avionics hardware. Gen. Bodgan was right about his concerns about the amount of code in the JSF. The exact quote is "The gorilla in the room is software".

Software (only) upgrades might be cheaper than hardware upgrades to install, but development time (& money) is still a huge issue.

bigjku wrote:

SpudmanWP wrote:

AN/ASQ-239

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2010 ... -collector

That is a fascinating article that should be read by all those who criticize development programs I think. Deptula is a smart man and is asking the right questions but the guys at ACC are asking the right ones back. Balancing those missions means getting smart people talking and attempting solutions. That means money. Is that money wasted? Not in my view.

If you don't ask those questions and explore those options you end up with Eurofighter Tranche 1 aircraft that can't do the things you want it to do but sure do fly around and look pretty.

Indeed. The transformational nature of the jet has cultural implications that must be worked out by the various stakeholder communities... knock down the stovepipes, slaughter the sacred cow and have a nice BBQ.. Smile

f414/euro/gripenng/sbug wrote:

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Not going to happen.

The F-35A/B training has already started with the Initial Cadre instructors. LRIP 4 jets are already on the production line.

The F-35 will be introduced to service. The question is how many jets and when.

Unless I'm mistaken, neurotech, that is a reference to Baghdad Bob of "there are no American Tanks in Baghdad/Americans are being slaughtered" fame.

count_to_10 wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, neurotech, that is a reference to Baghdad Bob of "there are no American Tanks in Baghdad/Americans are being slaughtered" fame.

Ahh yes, That would make sense. I didn't recognize the photo until you mentioned it.

I know Lt Col Niemi. He is a patchwearer and was one of the first Air Force guys to fly the F22 out at Edwards. From there went on to Elmendorf where he eventually commanded the 525th Fighter Squadron flying F22's. I would have to agree with his assessment. The raptor is a niche fighter. It does one thing extremely well. But that's it. I remember the mantra "not a pound for air to ground" coming from the light grey community. They wanted a pure air superiority fighter. Unfortunately that's what they got. And in the days of declining defense budgets, it's tough to spend all that money on an aircraft that never gets invited to the dance.

Is this a view shared by many in the Community, or are all pushing in the same direction?
You don't hear it often..

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