Forum: F-35 Armament, Stores and Tactics

spazsinbad wrote:

'jayraptor' Long Live Mother Russia eh? Lots of IFs in your sad story. How about you inhabit more appropriate forums devoted to your interests.

Not really, since the Russians are talented and capable, they deserved to be richer than Japan and their people should enjoy better lifestlye being able to do what they are best at. Not living in poverty with no cash to do almost anything. They should really look towards economy rather than stuck with the past. Russia is branded as badguy mainly because they let thrash like Stalin and followers/successors ruin eveything or should I say don't know how to get things rights.

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jayraptor wrote:

sufaviper & conan,
Again, you are turning towards the larger internal tank of F-35 to compare with F/A-18 carrying drop tanks. Now my comment is F/A-18C/D/E/F with internal tank 9000lb fuel vs F-35A/B/C with internal tank 9000lb fuel to compare. Which could fly further in this case? Reason why I came up with this comparison mainly because the F-35 is not supposed to be in heavy fighter category as F-15/14, Su-27 as per JSF requirement. Since most of you own cars, I'll explain this way so you get the idea. A 2.0L C-segment car even with turbocharged, it is not supposed to burn more fuel than a 3.8L D-segment, same thing with weight. The F-35A seems be be heavier than F-15C. Wonder why the Congress that rejected the X-32 allow this as it has breached JSF requirement.

This will be my last response to jayraptor,

Where exactly did I talk about fuel capacity in my last post? I gave the numbers for SFC an apples-to-apples comparison of two engines.

If you insiste on this 9,000 lbs of fuel arguement here you go. Based on the test stand data I gave last post:
2 X F414 (F/A-18E) would burn through 9,000 lbs of fuel in 22 minutes, 43 seconds.
1 X F135 (F-35) would burn through 9,000 lbs of fuel in 21 minutes, 46 seconds

Congratulations, you get to fly for an extra 57 seconds, or about 6.3 seconds for every 1,000 lbs of fuel, or about 4% extra. Bottom line, on the test stand 2 X F414 and 1 X F135 burn at very similar rates. They will likely get closer when you install them.

As for your X-32 post, I don't think you actually read what I wrote which seems to be a common theme, thus this is my last response to you.

Sufa Viper

jayraptor wrote:

Wrightwing,

Don't forget the F-35 is meant for future. Today, Russia is inferior and coward in supplying weapons to its customers that get involved in military conflict. So how about tomorrow and future, can you guarantee that Russia will not become top10 richest nations and regain its superpower title? Fyi, the Russians have the capability to build proper quality products should they have the will to develop its economy. If the Russians could have steady income with improved lifestyle condition, they too could become modern country.

The Russian economy is limited by the same constraints as any other economy. It's not about a desire to develop the economy. It's about markets for Russian products. They're limited by market prices for oil/natural gas/minerals/etc...

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The Su-35BM is expensive today mainly because of less demand and buyers due to lost of faith. Same goes to France. All because of Arms Embargo that even arms suppliers would obey. So whichever country that are at war with US or its allies will be shunned by whole world to the extent of no access to purchase food, military equipment, etc. Because of this, you look at any war from Gulf war onwards, they no longer buy aircrafts, tanks, etc in bulk. Only the less maintenance weapons such as small arms, RPG, AT, SAMs, AAAs, etc.

Do you know that the Su-35BM fly away cost could be reduced much further to $30million each or less if the axis nations would still purchase weapons like they used to be back then. Mainly because it is made in Russia, the production cost is way cheaper than European and even US. If you have doubt on Russian aircraft pricing, the Mig-25 Foxbat is supposed to be expensive fighter in 1969/70 but because the buyers buy in bulk and able to breach break even point in production cost, Russia could sell the Mig-25 at cheaper than F-4E's price.

The costs of materials, wages, etc... all play a role in the cost of the Su-35BM, Mig 25, etc.... There is no way that the Su-35BM could be sold at $30 million, if Sukhoi wishes to stay in business. They would be operating at a loss, selling for that price.

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sufaviper & conan,
Again, you are turning towards the larger internal tank of F-35 to compare with F/A-18 carrying drop tanks. Now my comment is F/A-18C/D/E/F with internal tank 9000lb fuel vs F-35A/B/C with internal tank 9000lb fuel to compare. Which could fly further in this case? Reason why I came up with this comparison mainly because the F-35 is not supposed to be in heavy fighter category as F-15/14, Su-27 as per JSF requirement.

This is an asinine argument. The reason for the large fuel tank, is for range.
No air force is going to operate the F-35 in a manner, where target lists are based upon the cost of filling the plane up. It doesn't matter if an F-16/18 can fly further on the same amount of fuel. They can't carry enough internal/external fuel, to fly further than an F-35. Combat radius is what's important.

jayraptor wrote:

Not really, since the Russians are talented and capable, they deserved to be richer than Japan and their people should enjoy better lifestlye being able to do what they are best at. Not living in poverty with no cash to do almost anything. They should really look towards economy rather than stuck with the past. Russia is branded as badguy mainly because they let thrash like Stalin and followers/successors ruin eveything or should I say don't know how to get things rights.

Deserve to be richer? How does one assign values to nations, to determine how much that they deserve? If you want to be richer, then you need an economic and political system that produces a vibrant economy, and personal liberty.

jayraptor wrote:

since the Russians are talented and capable, they deserved to be richer than Japan and their people should enjoy better lifestlye being able to do what they are best at. Not living in poverty with no cash to do almost anything. They should really look towards economy rather than stuck with the past. Russia is branded as badguy mainly because they let thrash like Stalin and followers/successors ruin eveything or should I say don't know how to get things rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVBvFJIIuHA Rolling Eyes

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