Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

The F-35 hasn't proven much of anything in terms of it's RCS requirements or coatings maintainability at this point.

If the F-35 is "stealthier" than the F-22, then someone screwed up.

I've stated my position about F-22 FMS before, and I'll say it again: NOBODY should have this level of capability but us.

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count_to_10 wrote:

Actually, isn't the only thing we know about the RCS the requirements for the programs? Only people with sufficient clearance know if the stealth on the F-22 is "an order of magnitude better" than the F-35. This is especially important considering that the F-22 requires so much maintenance for it's stealth.

This is quite true, only information released publicly to date by the USAF gives the F-22 "an order of magnitude better" RCS, it may well be less or more.

Scorpion1alpha wrote:

The F-35 hasn't proven much of anything in terms of it's RCS requirements or coatings maintainability at this point.

Except, according to Venlet, that it has met the RCS spec.

Scorpion1alpha wrote:

If the F-35 is "stealthier" than the F-22, then someone screwed up.

I've stated my position about F-22 FMS before, and I'll say it again: NOBODY should have this level of capability but us.

It this sort of thinking that 's led to only 190 of them being built. Dumb, dumb move.

Sure, it meets RCS requirements, the RCS test article. None of the flying F-35 test articles has demonstrated it yet as far as I know.

If it's 190, then so be it. Let the idiots who made the decision live with that. At least it's not in anybody else's hands.

Canada did inquire about the F22. They were rejected. So did Britain and Australia. IMO, all those countries would do well to have the F22, since they shared the battle in the last 3 conflicts (minus Canada in Iraq).

Israel and Canada probably, Australia certainly. No others; I don't trust our so-called allies.

Scorpion1alpha wrote:

Sure, it meets RCS requirements, the RCS test article. None of the flying F-35 test articles has demonstrated it yet as far as I know.

All the production models A/B/C have been in and demonstrated RCS requirements. There are pictures floating around, however, I will not find them for you.

Nor do I want you to find photos of it for me because I could care less about the F-35.

southernphantom wrote:

Israel and Canada probably, Australia certainly. No others; I don't trust our so-called allies.

There is an associated level of risk whenever we export our technology. That level of risk, no matter if it's an export F-22 or not, is too high.

Scorpion1alpha wrote:

Nor do I want you to find photos of it for me because I could care less about the F-35.

Oh, sorry...with your posts about it, you seemed to care. Rolling Eyes

If it wasn't clear in my past few posts to you, then it should be by now.

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Scorpion1alpha wrote:

Nor do I want you to find photos of it for me because I could care less about the F-35.

southernphantom wrote:

Israel and Canada probably, Australia certainly. No others; I don't trust our so-called allies.

There is an associated level of risk whenever we export our technology. That level of risk, no matter if it's an export F-22 or not, is too high.

The risks had been assessed and managed:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... slide.html

F-22 FMS would have put a fatal crick in the neck of F-35 FMS. No F-35 FMS, no $45M F-35. That's my opinion but...you know.

I wouldn't sell them to Israel (sorry Sufa), five minutes later bombs would be falling on Iran and then it'd be on for young and old.

Well those of us in the know, know that it is turning out to be a great plane. Anything you want to know about the F-22 or -35, feel free to ask. Wink

Interjecting on an old thread...

One of the major reasons we can assume the F-22's stealth is superior to the F-35 comes down to what can be exported. Reading up on the F-15 Silent Eagle's stealth features, Boeing obviously overstates its capabilities, yet indicates it meets the RCS standard allowed for export. Given as the F-22 continues to be banned from being sold outside the US while the F-35 was practically designed for export, it makes you wonder what standards the US has placed when it comes to stealth. This RCS argument could potentially go both ways if export models were less capable than US versions, but it's been clearly stated that allies would get the same exact fighter as the US.

It's reasonable to assume the F-22 is substantially better than the F-35 in the A2A role, especially given its continued export ban.

If the F-35 is using the same leading edge materials as the F-22 and the deflection angles inside the intakes are similar, it's highly likely its frontal RCS will be the same or lower due to a smaller total leading edge length.

The F-22's side surfaces have are at a 5 degrees shallower angle which will give it a significant advantage from the side.

Hard to say about the rear, depends a lot on the difference inside the nozzles.

There's nothing stopping the US from implementing their own unique customizations after they've sold the aircraft to partners.

Export to allies? Nope! I firmly believe this whole program should've been something the USAF neither confirmed nor denied having ever existed.

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Are the losses reductions made in comparison to current, legacy, equipment?
If so, then this is a sobering read indeed and much more tied to reality.

Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

should usa export f 22 to trusted allys.