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 Posted: Aug 03, 2012 - 04:54 AM
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count_to_10 wrote:
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Survivability. The OV-10 just doesn't have it. Its losses in Desert Storm weren't good at all. Its payload is also deficient relative to the Warthog, as is its kinematic performance (the Bronco was notoriously underpowered.
Most of that could probably have been fixed by upgrading the engines, extending the wings, and adding armor. Actually, it looks like Boeing plans on upgrading it to modern technology.
You're quite right on the OV-10X. However, even I admit that airframe upgrades only go so far. You reach a point where you just need to give up and design something new. |
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However, even I admit that airframe upgrades only go so far. You reach a point where you just need to give up and design something new.
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Posted: Aug 03, 2012 - 05:41 AM
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count_to_10 wrote:
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Survivability. The OV-10 just doesn't have it. Its losses in Desert Storm weren't good at all. Its payload is also deficient relative to the Warthog, as is its kinematic performance (the Bronco was notoriously underpowered.
Most of that could probably have been fixed by upgrading the engines, extending the wings, and adding armor. Actually, it looks like Boeing plans on upgrading it to modern technology.
A-10 has the 30mm gun. OV-10 never will. |
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It could, just not the GAU-8.
If it ever got a 30mm, it would be the same gun M230 as on the Apache  |
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Posted: Aug 03, 2012 - 11:54 PM
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| I really don't know about whether it could take the GAU-8 or not (It seems to have plenty of room), but at least it wouldn't have had the A-10's flame-out problem from the gun's propellant gasses. |
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Posted: Aug 04, 2012 - 09:21 PM
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SpudmanWP wrote:
It could, just not the GAU-8.
If it ever got a 30mm, it would be the same gun M230 as on the Apache
If I remember correctly, the M230 has a lower RoF and muzzle velocity. It's good at killing soft targets, but will struggle against armor (at least compared to the GAU- . |
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Posted: Aug 04, 2012 - 10:59 PM
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The M230 has a HEAT-type warhead (velocity is irrelevant to penetration) and the GAU-8 uses a DU combined with high velocity for penetration.
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SpudmanWP wrote:
The M230 has a HEAT-type warhead (velocity is irrelevant to penetration) and the GAU-8 uses a DU combined with high velocity for penetration.
Apples and Oranges
Velocity isn't irrelevant for HEAT warheads.
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Posted: Aug 04, 2012 - 11:16 PM
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| Well, that's not going to ever be an issue for the M230 . |
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| Doesnt the gun with the higher velocity have longer range? I would think that would help give a fast moving aircraft (compared to a chopper) a better chance at aiming at their target. |
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| The M230 has a lot more vibration, considering the whole assembly moves to recoil and shakes the aircraft using a long moment arm. The GAU-8 steadies itself directly against the superstructure and the movement of the multiple barrels actually stabilizes the aircraft. You're better off not mounting the M230 on your OV-10. |
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Posted: Aug 05, 2012 - 03:53 AM
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Considering the M230 can be tripod mounted & the OV-10 can mount a 20mm Gatling, I consider the M230 on the OV-10 a no brainer.
Consider this, how nasty would this be in a belly turret with laser-guided rounds (in the testing stage) from an orbiting OV-10? |
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