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usefulness & benefit vs. a risk of endangering a U.S national asset

The "usefulness & benefit" of the F-22 in Libya was very low considering the F-22 is an Air Dominance fighter and there was nothing to dominate in Libya. When they balanced that against the airframe hours that would be expended, they decided not to deploy it, plain and simple.

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SpudmanWP wrote:

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usefulness & benefit vs. a risk of endangering a U.S national asset

The "usefulness & benefit" of the F-22 in Libya was very low considering the F-22 is an Air Dominance fighter and there was nothing to dominate in Libya. When they balanced that against the airframe hours that would be expended, they decided not to deploy it, plain and simple.

I agree completely Wink

I'd heard that the cheek arrays where a very expensive upgrade, but if installed then a lot of the secure comms problems go away. Three AESA arrays should provide nearly 300 degrees of coverage. In addition, they can engage/track/map at high off-bore sight angles which would be a considerable expansion of it's abilities with the one upgrade. Of course the real problem is that it's still locked to i860 processors running ADA and its questionable whether there is sufficient cooling and processing capability to support the mods.

SpudmanWP wrote:

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usefulness & benefit vs. a risk of endangering a U.S national asset

The "usefulness & benefit" of the F-22 in Libya was very low considering the F-22 is an Air Dominance fighter and there was nothing to dominate in Libya. When they balanced that against the airframe hours that would be expended, they decided not to deploy it, plain and simple.

One other consideration: the more information potential foes gather on the F-22, the greater the risk of loss in the future. A multinational operation like that would be a fertile place for intelligence gathering.

There was not relay anything in Libya that could learn anything from an F-22... unless one crashed and we left it alone like we did with the F-117.

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There was not relay anything in Libya that could learn anything from an F-22...

Very much disagree.

SpudmanWP wrote:

There was not relay anything in Libya that could learn anything from an F-22... unless one crashed and we left it alone like we did with the F-117.

Perhaps not from the Libyan side but there would have been a lot of other interested third parties who would have loved the opportunity to gain precious intel on the jet .. this would include countries involved in the conflict and one or two outsiders.

dudes, the f-22 is not a "problem" to the usaf because of its lack of 2-way link. You couldnt shoot it even if you wanted to. they didnt send it to libya because there was no need. and yes fat cat we would know if the raptors are up...and guess what? when that happens there wouldnt be any bad guys airborne anayway.

popcorn wrote:

Perhaps not from the Libyan side but there would have been a lot of other interested third parties who would have loved the opportunity to gain precious intel on the jet .. this would include countries involved in the conflict and one or two outsiders.

I do not think there would have been enough time to smuggle the necessary hi-tech equipment into Libya.

SpudmanWP wrote:

popcorn wrote:

Perhaps not from the Libyan side but there would have been a lot of other interested third parties who would have loved the opportunity to gain precious intel on the jet .. this would include countries involved in the conflict and one or two outsiders.

I do not think there would have been enough time to smuggle the necessary hi-tech equipment into Libya.

I think one of the concerns was the ESM systems on the Rafale, snooping in on the F-22.

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fat cat
You're assuming the very best situation too much here.

Don't try to argue broad sense with most of these guys mate. They all live in the world of theory and a world where the situation is always of there making and Alliances will always work and the enemy will always do what you expect when you expect him to. Everything will work just as it is does in an exercise and in theory. You will for instance only ever have to go into Iraq with a 10 to 1 advantage and top satellite surveilance and your GPS system will stay up etc. and your AWACS will all be up and still operating and your tankers and you will have good all weather airfields and months to prepare etc. Your cruise Missiles will have taken out all the radars etc. there will be no spies near the Airbase to tell the opposition when the Raptors take off on his Mobile [Cell Phone] so they know where and when to look and they never will find a way ever of seeing the Raptor etc. [Many other tricks a real enemy could use in a real War - simple cheap tricks.] How about somebody starts a Forum - If I was the enemy with a decent amount of resources how would I counter the Raptor or F35 and the AWACS and the Tankers and the Cruise

I had to spend a lot of $ because some idiot put an IC in my freezer to control temperature. Somehow the ice cream stayed frozen for my grandfather before the IC. Of course the IC fails and you spend huge $ instead of taking a screwdriver and fixing it yourself. Lazy engineering. I'm not sure the analogy works so well with war though. The WW2 story has a lot more high tech in it than the books we all grew up on. I think for every A-10 there's 10 systems that need high tech to work.

Hmmm, well there are a lot of high tech weapons, that have proven themselves time and time again. What's ridiculous to me, is the assumption, that the end users of these gadgets only plan for optimal conditions. Rkap, and Fat Cat seem to believe that if only the air forces would read these concerns on forums, then they'd see the error in their ways, and start planning for real world conditions.

wrightwing wrote:

SpudmanWP wrote:

popcorn wrote:

Perhaps not from the Libyan side but there would have been a lot of other interested third parties who would have loved the opportunity to gain precious intel on the jet .. this would include countries involved in the conflict and one or two outsiders.

I do not think there would have been enough time to smuggle the necessary hi-tech equipment into Libya.

I think one of the concerns was the ESM systems on the Rafale, snooping in on the F-22.

Not to mention that the Russians and Chinese would be sure to have some kind of signal gathering ships in Med.

Ships in the med have ZERO chance of intercepting either LPI AESA or IFDL traffic from the F-22s.

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