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The 11 billion dollar Indian MMRCA competition will it be the Eurofighter or the DAssault Rafael?

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Didn't the Indian Airforce spokesmen say that the Eurofighter had a clear edge if I recall correctly.

I'm guessing svenphantom asked that because airmaster11 posted the thread in the F-22 section before it was moved here. Don't know for sure though.

for synergies with the M-2000H fleet(to be upgraded) and because of the Rafale´s(nor Rafael) performance in Libya,the french influence in the security council(India seeking important role) and the possible retaliation by boosting pakisatnis JF17 with radars&Mica if not choosen,I would say Rafale F3/4
my Two Cents

When the Indians selected GE engines to power their Tejas aircraft, many thought Boeing had already bagged the deal for the MMRCA even before the shortlists were announced, they were wrong & in for a nasty shock. So for those reasons I don't think the M-2000H upgrades play as significant role in selecting the Rafale as much as some people, mostly French, think.

Rafale's role over Libya - what of it and for Typhoon's too for that matter? They fight wars...Thats what they were designed to do, not grow daisies to stuff in the enemies' gun barrels then sit around a camp fire puffing on joints. For some odd reason I don't think the IAF are that interested in the latter.

Politically (and industrial) whats more attractive, French-Indian ties or European-Indian ties? Unlike my previous paragraph I'd go for the latter.

for the Libya role,let´s say the rafale showed more maturity in this krieg,specially in A/G.where the brits has to engage Tornados for the most bombing missions..

India could also prefer non-US armement source like the french (AASM/Mica/Scalp..),the EF relies heavily on US weapons,they had some bad experience with US embargo when it comes to weapons,although some shoping was made last years,but nothing really serious..look how they kicked US jets out of the list

one more thing,rafale has a naval version for carriers,what the EF don´t,indians are seeking this capability more and more with the new carrier to come soon

Theres no doubt about it that the Rafale is more ahead of the Typhoon in terms of Air-to-Ground, I don't believe anyone is claiming otherwise. The thing is is that the Rafale had to do what it had it had to do with the capabilities it had and same for the Typhoon and Tornado, too. Nothing was expected less of them and it must be ackowledged that the Typhoon on offer for India is very much a different beast to what it is now.

The Typhoon 'will not' rely heavily on US weapons because the ones planned for integration are of European origin, i.e. ASRAAM, IRS-T, Meteor, RBS-15, Storm Shadow, Taurus, Pilum (German/Israel), Brimstone, Paveway series (UK/European) so on and so forth.

True, and Eurofighter have proposed a Naval version of the Typhoon. But since the IAF aren't interested in carrier capability and the IN are taking delivery of Mig-29Ks, thos roles aren't an important factor.

The IAF i guess would rather go with the eurofighter as they are offering India Partnership for their next gen fighter jet if they buy thier aircraft. also a 100% technology transfer. So....

Who is Pakistan's primary weapon supplier?
So if I were the Indians, I would not purchase anything from Pakistan's primary sugar daddy.

And if Pakistan and India go to war against one another I would not want to have to deal with that particular country's idea of "neutrality" as my Air Force goes about the business of turning Pakistan's Air Force into scrap metal.

The Rafale makes more political sense for India if you go by track record. The Typhoon makes more political sense if you go by future potential. With the EU in turmoil it might be better to feed from one spigot.

How would it be better for India if the US can simply stop selling India spare parts while providing spare parts, replacement aircraft and satellite intel to Pakistan?

A Typhoon + Mica could be a game-changing A2A capability. Perhaps France would be honored in such a co-op??

Personally though, my bias is more in the upgraded Rafale camp in general.

I think you're misusing the term "game changing".

The F-117's introduction of VLO into the A2G arena was a "game-changer".

The F-22's introduction of VLO into the A2A arena was a "game-changer".

The F-35's introduction of EODAS into the WVR arena was a "game-changer".

See the pattern? At best a Typhoon-Mica combo is a "game-improver".

SpudmanWP wrote:

I think you're misusing the term "game changing".

The F-117's introduction of VLO into the A2G arena was a "game-changer".

The F-22's introduction of VLO into the A2A arena was a "game-changer".

The F-35's introduction of EODAS into the WVR arena was a "game-changer".

See the pattern? At best a Typhoon-Mica combo is a "game-improver".

Yes sur. Game-improver. Not much can be done to gen 4 aircraft to make them game-changers. Even if you add a bunch of +++++++++++++++++++. The real players in the game are going gen 5. The future is stealth. Sneak, sneak, sneak, BOOM!

The winner is to be announced soon..
My prediction is it will be the Rafale

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Indian MMRCA: Eurofighter or Dassault Rafale