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munny
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 Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 05:15 AM
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| Haven't you just dumped your mate in the sh*t by pretty much telling everyone at boeing exactly who has been blabbing? |
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madrat
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 06:02 AM
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| Yep, you really threw your buddy under the bus if its true. |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 03:08 PM
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Well, hopefully it means that the F-22 pot is bubbling.. if the Raptor gets new skins and understructure plus the grafted on 2nd nervous system mentioned on the other thread, then it could be the AF trying to pulla SuperHornet-style "upgrade" ..  |
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batu731
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 07:29 PM
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Isn't F22 LM's jet?
And if this was true, the technologies would be more than a generation ahead of what made of Raptor.
BOEING could just go for bidding of 6-gen fighter, if there is any. |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 07:58 PM
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batu731 wrote:
Isn't F22 LM's jet?
And if this was true, the technologies would be more than a generation ahead of what made of Raptor.
BOEING could just go for bidding of 6-gen fighter, if there is any.
There's a lot more involved in developing an entirely new aircraft, along with its respective sensors/avionics package, engines, etc.... |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 07:59 PM
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batu731 wrote:
Isn't F22 LM's jet?
And if this was true, the technologies would be more than a generation ahead of what made of Raptor.
BOEING could just go for bidding of 6-gen fighter, if there is any.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ntract.htm |
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batu731 wrote:
Isn't F22 LM's jet?
And if this was true, the technologies would be more than a generation ahead of what made of Raptor.
BOEING could just go for bidding of 6-gen fighter, if there is any.
Boeing is a major partner on the F-22, which is probably one of the reasons LM allowed it to go to $hit while putting their senior-varsity team on the F-35 (profits for which they don't have to share with their main competitor). |
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southernphantom
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Posted: Sep 13, 2011 - 02:27 AM
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1st503rdsgt wrote:
batu731 wrote:
Isn't F22 LM's jet?
And if this was true, the technologies would be more than a generation ahead of what made of Raptor.
BOEING could just go for bidding of 6-gen fighter, if there is any.
Boeing is a major partner on the F-22, which is probably one of the reasons LM allowed it to go to $hit while putting their senior-varsity team on the F-35 (profits for which they don't have to share with their main competitor).
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Posted: Sep 14, 2011 - 01:26 AM
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| I don't believe this qualifies as a "black" program so if true, we should probably have had confirmation from some other source by now. A lot of posters haveindustry connections plus the usual suspects in the defense media so we'll just have to wait and see. |
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Posted: Sep 14, 2011 - 09:59 AM
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munny wrote:
Haven't you just dumped your mate in the sh*t by pretty much telling everyone at boeing exactly who has been blabbing?
I don't really think so. He didn't indicate there was any real super hush-hush security involved in this. Mainly because it is an out of production program.
It is also quite possible that all this testing going on is just a way for Boeing to use an existing program to do some further advanced materials R&D, instead of starting up a whole new program for just that purpose. ie, use an existing format which is in place, and makes it cost less. Odd, but true.
The whole thing could also just be a basic case study, to see how such an airframe can/could be advanced in a short period of time, if the program was ever to be restarted in the near future. Basically, knowing it probably won't get restarted, the case study is done to use as reference possibly for other programs. Who the heck really knows?
For exmaple, everybody now knows that Boeing/Sikorsky is now actively cutting metal to build the S-97 prototypes, and will be ready to fly within ~2 years. And, everybody knows they are actively in the design phase of producing a new Commanche/Apache type attack helicopter using this tandem rotor technology, with stealth aspects. Such a prototype will probably be down the pipe within less than a decade to start replacing the Apache.
Alot of times, I have found Boeing has lots of smaller programs that pertain to existing high security programs, yet have no real security established themselves. The cost for establishing the program protocols can actually get quite expensive, so they just quietly work on things without really making any real press, yet it really isn't classified.
I think that's more or less the case here, since it really wasn't something my friend made seem like it was some big issue, just really interesting. I find it fascinating, yet at the same time, I'm not holding my breath thinking there is some huge top secret program going on. Why? Because there may very well may not be. As much as I'd love to see more Raptors built, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2011 - 02:55 PM
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| They know the nature of government budgeting & procurement better than to really think any more F-22s, of any present or newer enhanced version, are going to be bought. But other kinds of future projects require thought experiments and paper exercises today, and what other recent advanced wings do they have available to base them on, particularly when the time for physical tests comes? Boeing's latest applicable project other than F-35 (in which I don't even know whether the wings are Boeing's part anyway) is 787, and both of those planes are in early mass production right now, which gets in the way of playing around & tinkering, plus the scale of 787 is much larger. |
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Lightndattic
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Posted: Sep 15, 2011 - 04:49 AM
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| I wonder how difficult it would be to refresh a F-22 that has exhausted it's service life a'la the M-1 Abrams rebuild program. Strip the airframe down to major components and rebuild them with the newer components like a more intensive depot visit. |
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Posted: Sep 15, 2011 - 07:43 AM
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Lightndattic wrote:
I wonder how difficult it would be to refresh a F-22 that has exhausted it's service life a'la the M-1 Abrams rebuild program. Strip the airframe down to major components and rebuild them with the newer components like a more intensive depot visit.
The process of re-certifying the aircraft will be much more difficult than putting a refurbished M1 Abrams back on the field. Aerodynamics, CG, and other factors may be changed as well, and flight control system would consequently have to be adjusted. It will be a lot more expensive and time consuming than the M1 Abrams AIMS program, IMHO.
You'll pretty much be creating a new C version, although I don't know how much the price may be compared to that of a new-build. |
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Posted: Sep 15, 2011 - 05:06 PM
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Posted: Sep 15, 2011 - 08:38 PM
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http://www.govconwire.com/2011/09/boein ... 22-raptor/
Can this be any evidence of confirmation?
Boeing to Develop, Integrate Mission Planning Environment for F-22 Raptor
"Boeing (NYSE: BA) has won a U.S. Air Force award to provide mission planning support for the F-22 Raptor.
Boeing will continue to develop and integrate the existing F-22 mission planning environment, which provides F-22 crews with a full range of mission information.
The order was awarded under the Air Force’s mission planning enterprise contract-II, which is worth up to approximately $920 million over 10 years and was awarded to five contractors.
The order is worth up to $24 million.
“Our current support of the F-22 program helped us better understand the Air Force’s mission planning requirements,” said Mark McGraw, Boeing’s vice president for training systems and services. “We will continue to work together to improve the integration and testing of mission planning products throughout the MPE development lifecycle.”" |
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