Forum: F-16 Procedures

Beside the mainteance cards. Over the years I have seen a few locally made maintenance cheat sheets. Like one for FLCS trouble shooting. How to use a Hydraulic Mule. QRL's. Things like that.

I have some of them. But they are copies made of copies made of copies.

Was wondering if anyone had any computer file ones they could send me?

If you have any. Send me an email. I will return your email from my af.mil account.

MC5Wes@gmail.com

Thanks

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what you have?

All of my stuff is old ADF model ones. I just got back on 16s. After being in AMC. My vacation is over.

If you find someone with FIN access, you can get PDF copies of MFL cards and FLCS troubleshooting cards. If your unit needs these cards, just contact Lockheed. PM me and I will tell you how. Some units download the PDFs and have the cards printed locally.

Best Regards,

Joe
I can get the cards. What I was looking for were sheets of paper made at the unit level.

For example my old F-16 unit had a 8 1/2 by 11 piece of paper with basically a Cliff notes on how to run a Hydraulic mule. Also we had a cheat sheet for crew chiefs on how to fix there own red balls. Same set up. But would have things like. Radio receives but doesn't transmit. And the paper would have " Check Secure voice switch is in plain"

Without the blessing of your QA and TODO section, those 'cheat sheets' are illegal and a high liability should something go wrong while using them. Just saying...

guardbaby wrote:

Without the blessing of your QA and TODO section, those 'cheat sheets' are illegal and a high liability should something go wrong while using them. Just saying...

Two.

I'd stick with the JGs or CLs that are approved.

TEG

I appreciate all of your concerns. But let me deal with the liabilities. I seem to be pretty good at it. Since I’ve been working on aircraft for over 30 years.

Never would I use a “ Cheat Sheet “ to work on airplanes. But every shop has a QRL listing for parts. Has a CAMS book in the computer room. Even thou there are “ Official “ Books to use. Like a -4.

No one here has a note book with information not is the Job Guides?

Amen mc5wes. Work smarter not harder.

mc5wes wrote:

No one here has a note book with information not is the Job Guides?

Nope

With Electronic TO's you have all the FI's at your fingertips in a Tough Book? Why carry more stuff than you need?

Common Red Balls are:
1. Switchology
2. JFS no start
3. Pump Lights
4. Hydraulic leaks
5. Delta P's
6. Analog FLCS self test (lots related to #1)

There's nothing wrong with using "Training Aids" to help you do the work. In my day, all of us had our little notebooks with ramp coordinates, QRLs (though we didn't call them that then) and various other little notes and "gotchas".

The FI is very little use on a redball, whether in paper or electronic format. Are you really going to stand there and flip through the pages standing next to a running aircraft, or in chem gear, or in the rain? System knowledge is what gets you through a redball, and experience with the particular discrepancy.

While some things need to be formalized into a local checklist (mule operation comes to mind), personal notebooks and "cheat sheets" have value as well. I will never forget a fuel quantity problem we had at Spang, when our B-shopper jumped out of the truck, talked to the pilot for a second or two, and then whipped out his notebook and checked the wing tanks. He slapped the wing tank hard and got a thumbs-up from the pilot, who promptly shut the airplane down. When we asked him how he knew it was a bad tank, he showed us his record of jets with fuel quantity problems - and wing tank serial numbers. Seems this particular tank had been responsible for over 50% of the writeups for the last six months. Nobody else had thought to do this.

So "cheat sheets" and the like have their uses on the flightline; but if you commit to using a QRL, make sure it is up to date. Heck, I don't know how you can keep track of your software versions without a notebook; if you wait for the -8-1 to catch up with the changes, you will be left way behind. If your "cheat sheet" looks more like a checklist, get it blessed by QA and the Commander and spread the wealth. How do we pass on our corporate knowledge without writing it down somewhere?

Best Regards,

Joe
Joe, Thats what I was talking about. A piece of paper with information on it. Not a Job Guide replacement.

Varkvet,
Where in the FI does it tell you how to get a Targeting Pod to stow? When it doesnt move. It doesnt. We spent 1/2 a day to figure out it was in " Bore " mode.

Wrote it down in my notebook. Then a few months later. When they were about to ground abort for the same problem. I had the answer.

Well you better at least have it open (FI) during a Red Ball … and I agree on experience. I think every F-16 dawg in the world knows to slap the tanks when you have a fuel quantity flux/erratic issue! And they don’t need a piece of paper with tank history telling them too (7 levels are usually nearby as well)
If you don’t use the FI, no matter how many pages you flip, (**** the rain and any other weather element) you gonna get stitched up if something goes wrong! And in these days, no one is going to back you up!!!!

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _80381346/

While I am waiting for the FI to open on the laptop. Should I be singing the Airmans Creed?

I never worried about getting "stitched up" if something went wrong. I once ground aborted a four-star for an HSI problem and then CND'd the writeup. Never heard a word from anybody, least of all QA. Redballs are more about determining whether you have enough time to fix the problem rather than whether you can fix the problem. FI won't help with that. You usually have to make the call in about 30 seconds, unless you have to walk the pilot through some procedure like an INS alignment or initializing MIDS. You won't find the right section of the FI in thirty seconds. Not only that, to a pilot, the sight of somebody feverishly flipping pages on a tech order to find out how to fix the jet isn't exactly a confidence builder.

We could easily run another thread on redball procedures. It would probably be interesting to hear from the old guys vs. the new guys (not you VarkVet, if you're a Vark Vet, you're sure not a new guy!)

Best Regards,

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