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F-22 at Farnborough
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Wonder what an Su-30 would see through it's IRST system?

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Curses!
But if I had to guess, I'd think an Su-30 would see something like this?

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grinner68 wrote:

F-22 at Farnborough
[/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58N6Plr17GU&feature=player_embedded

Wonder what an Su-30 would see through it's IRST system?

The same thing! The moment before was the last thing they saw Exclamation

Remember the Eagle has never beaten the Raptor in Training and the Eagle has never been beaten in Combat; 107 to 0. Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58N6Plr17GU

That link should work

EDIT: For some reason it won't let me embed the video, so just go to the link above.

Sorry about the bad link.
could not figure out where the error was

BTW, am I wrong in thinking that the F-15 does not have an IRST system, instead it uses a captive AIM-9 as an IR sensor.
That's about the same as when the A-10's would use the IR Mavericks as a poor man's FLIR.

So perhaps the reason that the F-15 has problems attacking the F-22 is because it's built around using it's radar to provide ranging, tracking and launch cues?
So poor radar return = no launch cue.

Question would be, how well does it fare against something that does not need a radar to find the F-22, track it, lock on to it and shoot it?

grinner68 wrote:

So perhaps the reason that the F-15 has problems attacking the F-22 is because it's built around using it's radar to provide ranging, tracking and launch cues?
So poor radar return = no launch cue.

Question would be, how well does it fare against something that does not need a radar to find the F-22, track it, lock on to it and shoot it?

It would be pretty much the same in most cases. The F-22 has an AESA radar which is difficult to detect by enemies, but it relies more on its passive sensors to minimize its energy output. I'm certain that it periodically switches on its active radar for just this kind of event. Once it detects a hostile target not emitting radio energy, it would simply use active radar to shoot it down.

As for the F-15... its own radar would give itself away long before it could get within range to pick up a Raptor on IR sensors. And its own high IR signature would give it away before that point as well.

grinner68 wrote:

Sorry about the bad link.
Question would be, how well does it fare against something that does not need a radar to find the F-22, track it, lock on to it and shoot it?

Not much better - even if you pick one up on IRST - the question is then where are the other F-22s? - and yes they all know exactly where you are.

The standard deployment for a squadron of 20 is 12 F-22's.
So unless you launch them all and send them to the same place at the same time, your looking at at most, 4 F-22's and perhaps only 2 in the immediate area.

Thing that a lot of folks seem to think is that the plane is invisible and invincible.
It's neither.
It still shows up on radar, though at much reduced distances, it still shows up on IR though you need an aircraft with a good IRST system that does not need input from the radar for range information.
You'll need a helmet mounted sight that's tied into the FCS.
And to top it off, a medium ranged AAM with an IR seeker and that can attack targets 45+ off boresight.

grinner68 wrote:

The standard deployment for a squadron of 20 is 12 F-22's.
So unless you launch them all and send them to the same place at the same time, your looking at at most, 4 F-22's and perhaps only 2 in the immediate area.

Thing that a lot of folks seem to think is that the plane is invisible and invincible.
It's neither.
It still shows up on radar, though at much reduced distances, it still shows up on IR though you need an aircraft with a good IRST system that does not need input from the radar for range information.
You'll need a helmet mounted sight that's tied into the FCS.
And to top it off, a medium ranged AAM with an IR seeker and that can attack targets 45+ off boresight.

oh ffs - thanks for that enlightened information - is this something you worked out all by yourself - was it today or yesterday Rolling Eyes

This isnt flipping Youtube - I know you dont like what you are hearing but please can you go back there if you want to turn this into a Vs thread.

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grinner68
Sorry about the bad link.

No problem, stuff happens! I was just hoping someone would find the correct link and post it that's all (and luckily for me some one did)!

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grinner68
BTW, am I wrong in thinking that the F-15 does not have an IRST system, instead it uses a captive AIM-9 as an IR sensor.

In my opinion, no you're not wrong. With the exception of the F-15E Strike Eagle, the F-15 doesn't have an IR sensor. There's been proposals to fit the F-15C/D "Golden Eagles" with an IRST,(see <a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/09/18/332380/usaf-adds-irst-pod-for-f-15s.html">here</a>) but it keeps getting shot down due to lack of funds.

I just checked the FY2012 docs and the F-15 IRST program got terminated after spending 27 mil in development over 2010/11.

This isnt flipping Youtube - I know you dont like what you are hearing but please can you go back there if you want to turn this into a Vs thread.[/quote]

Not going for an X a/c v Y a/c.
Simply trying to weed out the company sales pitch from the truth.
It applies to any aircraft or product.

Hello! I just want to say that I absolutly love everything about this aircraft! Inclouding this video:).. Anyway I"m new to this forum, although I"we been reading your posts for over 2 years now. I apologize for mistakes in my post(s) because my english is nowhere near perfect. Btw such a shame they cut the number of raptors to only 187! They might regret it later!

leepack wrote:

Hello! I just want to say that I absolutly love everything about this aircraft! Inclouding this video:).. Anyway I"m new to this forum, although I"we been reading your posts for over 2 years now. I apologize for mistakes in my post(s) because my english is nowhere near perfect. Btw such a shame they cut the number of raptors to only 187! They might regret it later!

Welcome.

I don't know if you've seen this particular video yet, but if you haven't, I think you'll enjoy the F-22's takeoff at last year's RIAT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ti9GwnlVs

That is just awsome.. I would assume this jet is every fighter pilot"s dream to fly in. Is there any news on future upgrades for F-22?
I heard that things are not looking too good?!