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So, if a C172/182 wanted to give a flight of F16s a hard time, what would frustrate the F16 pilots the most?

Getting scrambled to monitor a suicidal C-172 pilot, then having said C-172 pilot pull some really high G, slow speed turns......then having someone on F16.net question why they didn't fire their 20mm cannon's....

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So what if... the Cessna started diving at an Elementary school? Is there any thing the F-16's could do? I would think you wouldn't want to shoot him down just because you wouldn't want the plane falling on something, stray bullets hitting the wrong target (would the 20mm even slow down going through a Cessna?) or the remnants of an AIM-9 all over some small Midwest town. Would you helplessly just watch it go down? It's kinda a catch 22...

goatmilk wrote:

There's only one man that can pull high G's and soundly defeat two Vipers in a Cessna..........Doug Masters.

Classic! Wish I had thought of that first! Very Happy

Can anybody tell how such potential threats are escorted? I mean do fighter pilots have a lock on them with weapons master armed?

tank_top wrote:

So what if... the Cessna started diving at an Elementary school? Is there any thing the F-16's could do? I would think you wouldn't want to shoot him down just because you wouldn't want the plane falling on something, stray bullets hitting the wrong target (would the 20mm even slow down going through a Cessna?) or the remnants of an AIM-9 all over some small Midwest town. Would you helplessly just watch it go down? It's kinda a catch 22...

Nothing. Any weapon the pilot can employ against a light airlplane is likely to cause more harm than just the light airplane. Larger aircraft that are known to be hostile might get a weapon employed against them, but I highly doubt a pilot would be authorized to fire at a Cessna 172.

Maybe we would see a high speed pass that would cause the Cessna pilot to lose control.

] Maybe we would see a high speed pass that would cause the Cessna pilot to lose control.

Can't remember how the USN F-14s did the IJN Zeroes in Final Countdown...

http://blog.taragana.com/n/man-indicted ... uri-86098/

"Man indicted on federal charges for allegedly flying stolen aircraft from Canada to Missouri"

June 18th, 2009
Bureau News

Flight student indicted in plane theft

ST. LOUIS — A federal grand jury has indicted a man accused of stealing a plane in Canada and flying over three states before landing along a dark southern Missouri highway.

Just "thump" him like the Chinese did with the Navy P-3, but don't crash into him.

skyhigh wrote:

How fast was the Cessna 172 flying?

I guess 200 km/h.

If a Viper was going to match that speed, it would stall and crash.

If I were piloting the Cessna, I would have outturned them at lowest airspeed possible, knowing the Vipers would try to turn with me but stall in the process and crash. Pulling high-G turns would throw off their repeated lock-on attempts.

The F-16 Vipers obviously oulclasses the Cessna 172 in all but two flight regimes: Maneuverability and stall speed.

Splash Two Vipers (by means of them stalling, if they couldn't get a shot at me).

Or

Splash one Cessna (because the Vipers went vertical and the element lead did a gun kill from above)

You're killing me. I'd call Chuck Norris; yeah, definately Chuck Norris.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/0 ... ml?ref=rss
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Canadian ... story.html

"Canadian plane thief sentenced to two years in U.S. prison"

Canwest News Service: Tuesday, November 3, 2009

ST. LOUIS, Mo. — A Canadian man who stole a plane from his flying school in Thunder Bay, Ont., in April and flew it across three American states has been sentenced in Missouri to 24 months in a federal prison.

It is a bit lax on security of them to park the planes with the keys in them. It's for this very reason our flying club keeps the keys in a (relatively) secure location. Sure if someone knows where the keys are etc. they can still steal a plane but this way the real nutters and hobo's can't get underway with it. Happened at another airfield near here a while back, some homeless guy stole a cessna and flew out over the north sea for hours trying to get to sweden. Too bad he tried flying due north from the netherlands, that's not how you get to Sweden Wink

He crashed in the sea and his body washed up a few weeks later. Too bad, If I remember correctly it was a really sweet cessna he crashed.

Imagine if the guy had been a haji...he would have gotten shot down in a new york minute.

so, how do they distinguish an innocent suicider from a terrorist carrying a briefcase full of anthrax or the like in a Cessna?

"C'mon, it's Czechoslovakia. We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Czechoslovakia. It's like going into Wisconsin." -John Winger 'Stripes'

"Well I got the $h*t kicked outta me in Wisconsin once. Forget it! " - Russell Ziskey Laughing

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/22083512/detail.html

"Plane May Have Exploded Near Pointes

If Successful, Explosion Would Have Happened Over Pointes, St. Clair Shores Area"

POSTED: Tuesday, December 29, 2009
UPDATED: 7:56 pm EST December 29, 2009

Local 4 Defenders also discovered that when the call for help went out from Flight 253, not only were Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agents and FBI agents waiting on the ground at Metro Airport, but pilots of F16 fighter jets in the 180th fighter wing located at a base in Toledo, Ohio were also alerted to the trouble in the sky. For security reasons, it is unknown if the fighter jets were in the air before Flight 253 reached Metro Airport.

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F-16's chasing stolen Cessna