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My gosh, who would want to BFM in the F-14 in the first place, Tom Cruise notwithstanding?

That_Engine_Guy wrote:

I don't think the Navy got what Boeing/GE was promising,

Agree with that.

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..."Sad that the f-14D beets the superhornet in almost every aspect (except warming the nose), oh yeah it dosent have a cup holder either! whether its sheer speed or a long range fist, or close in low speed handiling for acm (dunno who dogfights at 600+) I wouldnt be to happy entering the ACM arena hunting an SU-30 with min awacs support taking a superbug and not a tomcat"...

Uhhh, No. Phoenix are not that great; they have a longer range than the AMRAAM but they are very inaccurate. They were made to take out bombers, not nimble fighter jets. F-18E has really good close in handling, a lot better than the F-14D. And the Super Bug has more advanced electronics.

Look, the superbug is a very good strikefighter and is more than capable of handling its own in a knife fight. However, the mission of the fox rhino is as a fleet defense interceptor. Its job is to intercept enemy aircraft before they can engage the carrier or other parts of the fleet. In this mission, better speed/acceleration and a longer range variant of the AMRAAM would help a lot.

That_Engine_Guy wrote:

INO wrote:

Here we go again. First of all in any BFM arena a Rhino is a much better A/C than a Tom.

Call me old but wasn't 'Rhino' another nick-name for a Phantom? Doh

Guess the USN is as bad with new names as the USAF? (ala - Lightening II, Thunderbold II or Globemaster III?)

INO wrote:

PW vs GE? No contest. GE has been prefered over Pratt in the Viper and Tom. Compressor stalls suck.

Yes the TF30s were well known for compressor stalls in the Tom' and 'Vark. Early F100s weren't much better either. The later models of the F100 with the computerized controls like the F110 have done away with stalls. If a PW stalls now, there is typically something wrong engine control/monitoring system and requires maintenance. Most new Viper sales have been PW-229s over the last few years... Pratts have a better safety record too! Wink

Lets not forget some of the F404s for a time in the Hornets were made by PW when the Navy was mad at GE... Rolling Eyes

INO wrote:

Its funny that most complaints about the airplane come from people that dont / havent flown the Rhino. Instead of talking smack about it, try asking someone who actually flies the plane. Personally, I love it.

I wasn't getting at that, but some of the inflated claims of GE concerning the F414's performance increases over the F404, and how Congress keeps demanding "engine competition" for the Lightening II when the Navy/GE snuck the Bug under the radar... I don't think the Navy got what Boeing/GE was promising, but having the Super Bug will help the Navy get through to the next aircraft, something the USAF decided not to even try!?!

Keep 'em flyin' Thumb

TEG

The Super Hornet was more a less an "all we could get" aircraft. With the A-12 failure and Air Force was eating up the lion's share of the R&D budget an enlarged Hornet was all that was affordable.

bjr1028 wrote:

Look, the superbug is a very good strikefighter and is more than capable of handling its own in a knife fight. However, the mission of the fox rhino is as a fleet defense interceptor. Its job is to intercept enemy aircraft before they can engage the carrier or other parts of the fleet. In this mission, better speed/acceleration and a longer range variant of the AMRAAM would help a lot.

and it will have that capability in AIM120-D

Des - +1

It's more about the systems, in the future, yes.

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