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parrothead wrote:

It usually used huffers or start carts with the V8s.

Or permanently installed large volume compressed air systems as used in the Blackbird hangars at Beale AFB, CA.

These systems are also used at different test-cells around the world to start uninstalled engines. It eliminates the need to have a Dash-60 (A/M32A-60A/B) on hand.

The systems consists of a large, high-volume air compressor attached to one or more large-capacity accumulator tank(s).

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That_Engine_Guy wrote:

parrothead wrote:

It usually used huffers or start carts with the V8s.

Or permanently installed large volume compressed air systems as used in the Blackbird hangars at Beale AFB, CA.

These systems are also used at different test-cells around the world to start uninstalled engines. It eliminates the need to have a Dash-60 (A/M32A-60A/B) on hand.

The systems consists of a large, high-volume air compressor attached to one or more large-capacity accumulator tank(s).

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TEG

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Yep, this is what they did in the later years at Beale. Saved lots of time and trouble Wink

Back to the original thread: As a Sixer, I am quite proud that officially the fastest single-engined airplane in the world is the Six. Truth be known, I'd probably admit that the F-104 (maybe) and the XF8U-3 (definitely) could outrun it.

I read somewhere that the Super 'Sader was speed-limited by its windscreen's melting point. God only knows how fast it could go without that limitation...

SixerViper wrote:

Back to the original thread: As a Sixer, I am quite proud that officially the fastest single-engined airplane in the world is the Six. Truth be known, I'd probably admit that the F-104 (maybe) and the XF8U-3 (definitely) could outrun it.

I read somewhere that the Super 'Sader was speed-limited by its windscreen's melting point. God only knows how fast it could go without that limitation...

*cough*

Actually, sferrin, I'm afraid you have it backwards. Wink

On 15 December 1959, F-106A 56-0467 flown by Maj. Joseph W. Rogers, broke the single-engine speed record that was set just two months previous on 7 October 1959, by the Ye-66 prototype, flown by Col. Georgii Moslov. Rogers reached a top speed of 2455.79 km/h (1525.96 MPH), while Moslov had originally set the mark at 2388 km/h (1483.66 MPH)

In an interesting side note, 2 years later, Moslov took the same jet and set an altitude record with the very same Ye-66 prototype. It was this altitude record, which Chuck Yeager was attempting to break in the NF-104, when his plane departed, and he was forced to eject in a flat spin. This was the final attempt at an aviation record that Yeager would make.

Also, curiously, both record-breaking aircraft are now gone. 56-0467 took off from George with a gear problem, and caught fire when landing IFE at Edwards. Over half of the plane was destroyed by the ensuing fire, and was written off. The backup jet for the speed record runs, 56-0459, retired from the 318th FIS at McChord in 1983 during the unit's transition to the F-15, and was placed in their museum.

As for the Ye-66, it is unclear where the actual aircraft is, however, the aircraft in the above picture, located at the Russian Central Museum of the Air Forces, is actually only a jet painted to appear like the original Ye-66.

467 was the backup jet and set the record.

459 was primary but had vari-ramp problems. Wink

regards, OL

TC wrote:

Actually, sferrin, I'm afraid you have it backwards. Wink

On 15 December 1959, F-106A 56-0467 flown by Maj. Joseph W. Rogers, broke the single-engine speed record that was set just two months previous on 7 October 1959, by the Ye-66 prototype, flown by Col. Georgii Moslov. Rogers reached a top speed of 2455.79 km/h (1525.96 MPH), while Moslov had originally set the mark at 2388 km/h (1483.66 MPH)

In an interesting side note, 2 years later, Moslov took the same jet and set an altitude record with the very same Ye-66 prototype. It was this altitude record, which Chuck Yeager was attempting to break in the NF-104, when his plane departed, and he was forced to eject in a flat spin. This was the final attempt at an aviation record that Yeager would make.

Also, curiously, both record-breaking aircraft are now gone. 56-0467 took off from George with a gear problem, and caught fire when landing IFE at Edwards. Over half of the plane was destroyed by the ensuing fire, and was written off. The backup jet for the speed record runs, 56-0459, retired from the 318th FIS at McChord in 1983 during the unit's transition to the F-15, and was placed in their museum.

As for the Ye-66, it is unclear where the actual aircraft is, however, the aircraft in the above picture, located at the Russian Central Museum of the Air Forces, is actually only a jet painted to appear like the original Ye-66.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/pe ... 0248.shtml

An interesting read. Most of the histories I've read had the "E-166" taking the absolute speed record from the Skyburner F-4 Phantom II. Gave the FAI site a few minutes of looking but it's about as disorganized as can be and have dropped a lot of "Unimited" and absolute records out anyway. One thing that's wrong with the above link is that the Ye-152 & Ye-152Ms were in NO way "modified Mig-21s" but were much larger. They had a similar configuration but that's it. The engine in the Ye-152M was the same that would end up in the Mig-25- the R15B-300.

Why the "Six" record is so awesome; it was a production jet, right off the assembly line!

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That Six could've flown from Eddie's, to the 318th FIS at McChord, and immediately taxied to the alert area, been quick turned by MX, and then armed with all of the AIM-4s and AIR-2s that it could carry, and be readied for Zulu Alert.

The E-166 prototype? Not so much.

The Rhino doesn't really count, as far as this record is concerned. This speed record is for a single engined aircraft. The Soviet bird set it, and a couple of months later, "The Ultimate Interceptor" broke it.

Now, as for the multi-engined speed record? Well, I think some folks in Palmdale, California will be able to tell you who owns that one. Wink

TC wrote:

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That Six could've flown from Eddie's, to the 318th FIS at McChord, and immediately taxied to the alert area, been quick turned by MX, and then armed with all of the AIM-4s and AIR-2s that it could carry, and be readied for Zulu Alert.

The E-166 prototype? Not so much.

The Rhino doesn't really count, as far as this record is concerned. This speed record is for a single engined aircraft. The Soviet bird set it, and a couple of months later, "The Ultimate Interceptor" broke it.

Now, as for the multi-engined speed record? Well, I think some folks in Palmdale, California will be able to tell you who owns that one. Wink

Right, and the only reason I mentioned the Phantom is because it happened to own the speed record at the time the E-166 supposedly took it back. Given that the Crusader III apparently hit Mach 2.6 in testing (and the test pilots are on record as saying they thought it was good for Mach 2.9) it would have been interesting to see it make the attempt. Sad

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Now, as for the multi-engined speed record? Well, I think some folks in Palmdale, California will be able to tell you who owns that one. Wink

I rather thought it would be a few guys up north of Vegas, but south of Rachel and a bit east of Alamo, but if they told you they'd have to kill you Razz

Parrot Cranium is tracking me! Wink

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XF8U-3 Crusader III video.