Forum: Program and politics

Su27_pilot wrote:

EWR(early warning radars) were british...transport trucks were licence made Deitz,small terain vehicles are austrian Pinzgauers,and one number of jeeps are PUCH and one number of older are UAZ...Yugoslav made light bomber J22 EAGLE has british rolceroyce engines and ejection seat,one number of AAA are bofors...older T55s that are kicked out of service were Soviet made,but now new M84AB1 is in use,similar to T90S...THE only military thing that Yugoslavia imported were fighters,if that project was completed it would be independent from others military industries... Shocked

...in the 70s Yugoslavia was making its first nuclear bomb,but Americans offered 150 billion dollars to quit production...so our country did quit...Yugoslavia had Soviet hardware because it was cheaper,and Yugoslavia wasnt reach country... Wink

Ok whatever, that doesn't change the fact that the Rafale is no copy pf this yugoslavian design. BTW you can't reach independence if you import most of the stuff... But this topic isn't about a non existent yugoslavian fighter at all so I suggest to end this debate here.

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Su27_pilot wrote:

Raffale is a copy of Yugoslav former project of 4th generation fighter which was designed in late 80s,and was supposed to enter production 1992,but as NATO started war here,it didnt happened,,,

here is video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1QjOxEFqOA

text is in Serbian but you'll see that on photos airplane is the same...

Wrong. That was one of many LAVI copies popping up at the time, nothing more...they didn't even have the capability to produce it anyway.

they had capabilities,wind tunnel up to mach 6...yugoslavia produced its own fighter-bomber planes J22eagle adn G4 superseagull

Su27_pilot wrote:

they had capabilities,wind tunnel up to mach 6...yugoslavia produced its own fighter-bomber planes J22eagle adn G4 superseagull

Factually, no, they did not have the capability to produce that aircraft. As far as the wind tunnel goes...I would find it hard to believe that ANY country couldn't produce a small scale wind tunnel like that, so who cares? Those jets listed by the way are POS's. Big whoop.

The F-35 is still in its development phase and a production model has never been made and its called more capable. Lets put the f-35 in its current form over Afghanistan on a Air to ground mission and lets see it complete its mission without crashing.

The Rafale is the finished product and it is operational over there. Lets talk about actual capabilities that actually exist not hypothetical ones that engineers hope to achieve in 2015. In terms of blow outs and delays the F-35 is the king.

Lets stop the spin and talk about aircraft that actually exist in the present time.

So much work remains before the F-35 even reaches initial operational capability such as completing the source code on the computer system. Two years before Windows Vista went on the market it was advertised as fantastic. boy what a lemon it was.

Take a close look at the Yugo fighter and you'll see that the fuselage is very similar to the F-16, as was the Lavi. Anyone want to guess why? General Dynamics trained Israeli engineers in the school of fighter design around 1980. I was one of the instructors. The purpose was to help Israel further develop and maintain their new F-16s, or so we thought. Israel's purpose was to learn how to design their own fighter, Lavi. A little later GD was in serious discussion with Yugoslavia about co-development of a fighter airplane. That effort died when Milosevic decided to do a little ethnic house-cleaning. The Yugo airplane shown in the clip was the result of those discussions.

Of course, the Rafale is not a copy or related to the Yugo in any way.

bluewolf20 wrote:

The F-35 is still in its development phase and a production model has never been made and its called more capable. Lets put the f-35 in its current form over Afghanistan on a Air to ground mission and lets see it complete its mission without crashing.

The Rafale is the finished product and it is operational over there. Lets talk about actual capabilities that actually exist not hypothetical ones that engineers hope to achieve in 2015. In terms of blow outs and delays the F-35 is the king.

Lets stop the spin and talk about aircraft that actually exist in the present time.

So much work remains before the F-35 even reaches initial operational capability such as completing the source code on the computer system. Two years before Windows Vista went on the market it was advertised as fantastic. boy what a lemon it was.

I'm sorry to say it bluewolf, but unfortunately it's hard to refute your views as stated, vis-a-vis ongoing F-35 assumptions relevant to 2015+.

Forum: Program and politics

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