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 Posted: Oct 26, 2007 - 09:58 PM
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Hello everybody. Im kinda newbee and have to admit i still have to get a knack on how al this stealthiness affect everyday's airwar on these days 
So, to put it simple, lets imagine an enemy airport, single runway, hosting a number of Mig's 29: Air Command wants to take it out. The place is under the protection of a Snow Drift radar, SA-17 system, with missile racks and AA guns scattered around the area. Air Command would like the radar down to allow further missions over the area. Snow drift has a 31 nm radius, 80kft. ceiling envelope (obviously missile racks can lay well outside the radius, even behind the entry waypoint of the incoming SEAD pkg).
Lets play this raid with legacy a\c's.
The package consists of:
- SEAD, with a four-ship F-16 armed with 2 AMRAAMs, central fuel pod and 4 JDAM each: 2 w\ BLU109 wh for the runway & taxiway, 2 with mk84 wh for installations -hangar, control tower, shelters, fuel tanks, you name it;
- SEAD Escort, with a two-ship F-16 armed with 2 AMRAAMs, central fuel pod and 4 HARM
- Escort, with -who knows- at least 2 F-15C with a convenient AA configuration.
If we assume the area is secure, no early warning can come to the enemy's ear and our pilots are creme de la creme, we could spare the Escort flight, take two HARMs away from SEAD Escort and give them another 2 AMRAAM just in case: lets cross fingers the Migs wont be able to take off in time.
The mission would perform as follows:
The Escort flight would precede the other two by 3-4 minutes until reaching the entry waypoint, just a few miles outside the Snow Drift area: the other two flights will wait orbiting around a convenient waypoint behind. If it doesnt encounter any bandit, it calls green light for the SEAD Escort that goes for the hunt. They penetrate the radar area, hoping to be painted by the radar, locking it on, shooting and running away. If the radar doesnt show up, or blinks, or the HARM fail, in any case the MIG's will try to scramble. Let's say, in the best scenario, the radar goes down on first shoot, a couple minutes after the shoot; the SEAD goes in and takes away their targets within range of their JDAMS, then everybody goes home. Worst case scenario is that the radar blinks or doesnt show up or doesnt get hit: then missiles will start to rain and migs will scramble and they will be likely to run after the running package till homeplate.
Summary:
Aircrafts employed: 8-10
AG Ordinance used: 4 harm + 16 JDAM or 8 HARM + 16 JDAM
((maybe there could be some room for a prowler, but i dont think it would be a good idea if we want the radar down as well))
Is my plan somewhat acceptable for legacy a\c's?
Now: same scenario, only stealth a\c's -as per new doctrine- are to be used. What happens? |
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Maffa
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Posted: Oct 27, 2007 - 10:09 PM
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Posted: Nov 02, 2007 - 02:31 AM
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Salute!
Is this guy related to Raptor-1 ???
out,
P.S. Better ways to do it, IMHO. And I ain't telling about it. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2007 - 09:59 AM
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Maffa wrote:
What happens?
Things go boom & the bad guys never see it coming  !
Yeah, it sounds like OPSEC territory  . |
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Maffa
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Posted: Nov 02, 2007 - 01:29 PM
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Yeah, it sounds like OPSEC territory .
TY
I would try to simplify it a little. Maybe it will be a little more feasible. How many aircrafts would be required to do the same job? less than before?
(im asking it because my sources state the same number of ac's is required...) |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2007 - 03:07 PM
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Maffa wrote:
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Yeah, it sounds like OPSEC territory .
TY
I would try to simplify it a little. Maybe it will be a little more feasible. How many aircrafts would be required to do the same job? less than before?
(im asking it because my sources state the same number of ac's is required...)
Maffa
These questions concerning tactics would be fine on a gaming web site, but to ask what is real life gets touchy.
Try looking at public web source's's but please understand somethings are best not discussed here.  |
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Gums
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Posted: Nov 02, 2007 - 05:08 PM
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Salute!
OPSEC waiver requested here.
Go look at stuff 35-40 years ago.
On a Linebacker raid we would have maybe two flights of Thud Weasels and same of the new F-4C Weasels. They covered a hundred strike planes. Some of the Weasel flights had buddies, hence we had the term "hunter-killer".
They did real-time suppression and a few did pre-emptive launches of the really big dudes- the Standard ARM (looked like a telephone pole and could really reach out and "touch" someone.
Nowadays, things are lots better. So be afraid, be very afraid. And also see the other forum thread about the drones.
As was said in an old war movie, "All your bases are belong to us".
Heh, heh.
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Maffa
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Posted: Nov 02, 2007 - 05:43 PM
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