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Posted: Sep 05, 2007 - 07:02 PM
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B-52 carried nuclear armed cruise missiles by mistake
WASHINGTON (AFP) — A B-52 bomber flew the length of the United States last week mistakenly loaded with as many as six nuclear armed cruise missiles last week, a US military official confirmed Wednesday.
The mix-up was reported to President George W. Bush after the nuclear warheads were discovered when the aircraft landed at Barksdale Air Force Base Louisiana, the official said.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said as many as six cruise missiles loaded on to the plane were found to have nuclear warheads on them by mistake.
The B-52 was flying from Minot Air Base in North Dakota.
The incident was first reported by Military Times newspapers, which said the air launched cruise missiles can carry nuclear warheads of five to 150 kilotons.
The official said the discovery was reported to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Peter Pace, "and higher." The official said the notification goes as high as the president.
"There are procedures in place and they kicked in and worked," the official said.
Source: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hpa ... Yfct_p5YTe
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Posted: Sep 05, 2007 - 07:49 PM
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| Man, it's not going to be a good time to be a load team person at Minot, especially for the supervisors. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 01:39 AM
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Salute!
Well, besides a whole buncha folks being fired, what were these guys thinking about during load and preflight - aircrew and load teams????
The special weapons have a clearly marked tan band on a white background, best I remember. Some load dudes chime in here, PLZ.
'course, back when the Earth was still cooling, we had Buffs flying about all the time carrying real, live nuke-u-lar weapons as part of Chrome Dome and "failsafe". They wouldn't let us weenies in ADC fly with live nukes, but least I got to pre-flight the things when on alert.
The fiasco is unnacceptable, IMHO, and I am normally a mellow troop.
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 03:03 AM
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My first response to this news was
My second response was, to wonder how in the hell did these weapons leave the storage facility, which is guarded, and is a "No Lone Zone" at that.
Third response was, wondering exactly what Gums mentioned. Ok, let's say these weapons DID in fact leave the storage facility, which, they obviously did. How did neither the loaders, nor anyone else involved NOT notice all of the big clues to ID a Nuke?
Several individuals' heads were definitely in the "up and locked" position that day, so to speak.
One more reason to be glad to be on the airlift side of the house, I guess. Someone's @$$ is about to get handed to them on a silver platter, you can believe that Sierra! |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 04:06 AM
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Yeah, I just about went ???
Made me think of some appropriate song lyrics...
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Send Lawyers, guns and money - the S**T HAS HIT THE FAN!
Also see the forum topic: <a href="f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-8996.html">Special weapons control a problem at Minot...</a> |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 04:19 AM
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It looks like EVERYBODY missed the cruise missiles on those pylons. As I understand, the ALCM with nuclear tips look VERY different from the standard cruise missile. The article posted also stated that special weapons are always transported by airlift aircraft and never bombers. Why didn`t somebody call "WTF?"
It seems a lot of folk were asleep that day, even worse, procedure and protocol was completely ignored by key people, a little worrying to say the least.
Although there was no real danger, this certainly damages the reputation of the USAF which has an excellent record in terms of safety/handling/tracking of these weapons. Is it unusual for this to be made public? |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 05:04 AM
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As a former Ammo Troop and Load Toad (sure I was an officer) I am horrified to even hear this.
I agree, that the idea that no one raised the "WTF" flag is mind boggling.
I hate to say it, but its a good day not to be in the maintenance group at Minot right now.
In any case, it will be interesting to see how this pans out. |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 05:41 AM
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This is like some alternate universe nightmare. I could not even imagine something like this would be possible from what I have seen ( alot ) from the good old days of the SAC era. I mean it was an article of faith with the cold war draw down and going to ACC that stuff would carry on with the same standards and security. I thought from all that I had seen, something like this would NEVER be possible. How the mighty have fallen. Imagine the poor bastard at Barksdale that saw this and probably couldn't believe what they were seeing. I mean if you saw that you would think this can't be happening," I'm not seeing this " and yet somebody was the first to pick up on this and I bet it was pretty shocking. Any job with nuke procedure/paperwork isn't going to be pleasant to work in for a long long time after this event.  |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 06:56 AM
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Barksdale jet? Minot jet? Does it really make a difference? Could they have had the OK to ship the missiles without warheads on the BUFF? If so, I can see fewer heads rolling than it not.
This is a great big, public fuc*up and selected heads will roll because of the publicity. I guess they forgot the old biblical entreaty: "Let he who has no fu*kups cast the first article 15". |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 02:10 PM
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Yeah well, back in the good 'ol days, forgiveness was never SAC policy.  |
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Posted: Sep 06, 2007 - 04:27 PM
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After spending 11+ years in SAC inside the Alert facility and Weapons Storage Area (WSA) with various "special weapons," this isn't quite so hard to believe as it might seem.
First to clarify something Gums wrote about the brown band on the weapon: that only signifies a live explosive or rocket motor (versus a blue band for an inert rocket motor, round, or charge). And the cruise missile doesn't look any different from the outside to indicate which particular warhead it has installed (and the warheads are very interchangeable).
We used to fly with simulated payloads, and some missiles with instrumentation packages installed. We could do captive-carry flights, or actual launches (though never with actual nuclear warheads installed--that's a first as far as I know). The Munitions Control folks track each weapon through all facets of custody, maintenance and configuration changes, and perhaps they were told a demate action was complete when it wasn't, and they then tracked the weapons as training shapes and not "special" anymore.
Last point, the B-52's have already logged thousands of hours with live nukes on-board inflight. But you lose one nuke into the swamps or another one in the Med and those airborne alert missions just don't seem quite so attractive as they once did. I'm sure there are many people at Minot contemplating their next unexpected and involuntary career changes. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 04:53 PM
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According to this report from a local news station in Minot, it was classified as a "bent spear"
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Sep 6 2007 11:41PM
KXMCTV Minot
They thought it was a joke message - sent accidentally.
That was the reaction of some officers in the Pentagon when they received what's called a "bent spear" message last week.
Jim Olson has more on that...
"Bent Spear" is the term reserved for significant nuclear weapons incidents and the message sent out last Thursday was real - alerting them of the fact that Minot Air Force Base munitions crews could not account for six nuclear warheads.
Those bombs had been mistakenly left attached to cruise missiles that were loaded onto the wings of a B-52 bomber and flown across the country to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.
But even after the three-and-a-half hour flight, it wasn't until much later that the warheads were finally secured and removed from the bomber.
Air Force Major General Daniel Darnell reported on the timeline of the incident to Congress yesterday.
Sources in Congress say the timeline shows the six nuclear warheads were not retrieved or even identified as being nuclear munitions for almost ten hours after their arrival at Barksdale.
Sources in the Air Force say it took that long because the airmen who first discovered the bombs could not believe what they were seeing and had a hard time convincing superiors that the missiles on the bomber were, in fact, carrying nuclear weapons.
The incident has led the Air Force to relieve the commander of the 5th Munitions Wing at Minot Air Force Base of his duties.
According to records from the Air Force, the commander's name is Lieutenant Colonel Paul Wheeless.
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 07:01 PM
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| I can just imagine the recovery crew's faces or whoever first noticed they were real ns nukes. |
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Posted: Sep 07, 2007 - 07:51 PM
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snypa777 wrote:
It looks like EVERYBODY missed the cruise missiles on those pylons. As I understand, the ALCM with nuclear tips look VERY different from the standard cruise missile. The article posted also stated that special weapons are always transported by airlift aircraft and never bombers. Why didn`t somebody call "WTF?"
It seems a lot of folk were asleep that day, even worse, procedure and protocol was completely ignored by key people, a little worrying to say the least.
Although there was no real danger, this certainly damages the reputation of the USAF which has an excellent record in terms of safety/handling/tracking of these weapons. Is it unusual for this to be made public?
They weren't ALCM's the were AGM-129 ACM's which are only nuclear armed. From what I've read about this, the warheads themselves were supposed to be removed from the airframes and the airframes loaded onto a B-52 for transport to Barksdale for disposal. Would there be an official marking or tag they would put on a decommissioned nuke stating the warhead has been removed? The aircrew must have been assured they were on carrying non warhead equipped airframes.
My brother in law is with the 96th BS at Barksdale. I'll have to call him and see what it was like on the line when they were discovered. |
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Posted: Sep 08, 2007 - 03:10 AM
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| "Hey, co,... make a writeup in the 781 saying we've got 6 nukes on board. OK, crew, ready to head to the bar?" |
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