I've seen it too, it still happens all the time, but doesn't cause any damage if all of the upper leading edge flap seals are all off, someone rigged the PDU wrong, it was sitting at 25 degrees down while the flaps were at zero
Posted by Guest on Wed 27 Jun 2012 08:24:42 AM CEST
I was in the 16th TFTS when this happened. Some time before we had a mishap due to failed splines on a torque tube. Since at the time the assymetry brakes had been removed on all out jets, there was no fail safe as a result. Because of the mishap, we performed a 100% inspection of torque tubes. I'm sure maintenance was rushed to get them done (big surprise). As with a lot of rushed things, mistakes do happen and a cotter pin was not installed. Kind of like the gun port cover that departed a Block 40 jet ar RS because the cover was installed and safety wired, but the nuts were missing....
Posted by Guest on Tue 01 May 2012 09:22:01 PM CEST
I saw many things at HAFB during my 1976-1980 tour. Nothing surprises me!! I now work for Boeing on the 777 program and mechanics still make the same mistakes. I am very familure with the F-16 leading edge installation and rig. The fact that one single bolt left out of the installation could cause this problem, believable. The first few years of the F-16 at HAFB were interesting, The Air Force bailed GD out on many problems. It is funny and tragic that we always write procedures to fix things after they have failed. Maybe some day the aircraft makers will do some thing like fully test assy's by haveing the mechanics take it apart and put it back together and use the instructions as written to see if first it can be done, and there is new extra parts left over.
Posted by William (wildbill) Eckberg on Wed 04 Jan 2012 03:33:58 PM CET
78-0044 LEF Problems?
'Believe this picture is of a 421st Blk 10 aircraft back in late 1981/early 82; due to the fact that 78-0044 (Blk 5 then) had a black radome. Yeah, sure, the picture is black-n-white, but the 421st had the top black stripe with red hour glass (only) tail flash during this timeframe (notice background aircraft on ramp).
Incident happened on final approach with pilot experiencing heavy yaw thought to be caused by heavy crosswinds (frequent at HAFB). Aircraft landed safely w/o incident and pilot notified of occurance by EOR groundcrew. Upon inspection, RH LEF Angle (Bevel) Drive Gearbox Torque Tube bolt was found missing and torque tube simply came off spline shaft. Only damage was to the top RH LEF Seals; believe we quickly returned the a/c back to service with same LEF. At the time, all Asymmetry Brakes were either removed or cannon plugs disconnected. Outcome of investigation: new requirement for .002-.010 (freeplay) bolt clearance checks (a QA favorite) and presence of cotter keys on all LEF torque tube bolts (both requirements did not exist in JG27 before incident).
DCA (421st Crew Chief Sep '80- Nov '82)
Posted by Guest on Thu 13 Jul 2006 05:19:44 PM CEST
Looks like the comman servo was 25 down when they hooked up the tubes
Posted by Guest on Fri 12 Aug 2005 07:17:21 AM CEST
Block 1, 5 and early 10's all suffered from this issue. Might be wrong, but don't think they even had assy brakes until midway thru the block 10 and they still had issues which is why we flew with them disconnected for a time. Most of these were attributed to internal PDU failure (shear) at which point the flap rolled over or under dependent upon airflow at the time of shear - least that's my recollection.
Posted by Guest on Sun 07 Aug 2005 06:26:36 PM CEST
naaa thunder, they seem to like to do that down at the 4th. that also happened down at the 4th during my two year stint at hill...
Posted by Guest on Thu 19 May 2005 12:10:40 PM CEST
What block is this? You gotta look at the big picture. Was the LE R/R? Was it at depot most PDU work is done in depot.Did the crew cheif suck and manage to gay up the assymetry breaks. it's an f-16 no matter what the deal is 781s would give a solid lead to why it happened. I'm just glad LE flaps are easy to change out. If you read the GS those angle gearbox has alot of torque. this is a multiple factor incident.
Posted by Guest on Tue 29 Mar 2005 04:31:23 AM CEST
I had seen this happen before, rotary actuator failure, and torque tube failure at the pdu. At the time the assymetry brakes were not connected the cannon plugs were shorted out. this was because of numerous assy brake failures.
Posted by Guest on Thu 10 Mar 2005 06:04:18 PM CET
I can confirm the from William G about the incident at MacDill. Was a Crew Chief with the 63TFTS at the time and saw the aircraft after recovery.
Posted by Guest on Tue 25 Jan 2005 10:23:42 PM CET
William G The B-Shop Guy
Actually saw the same thing happen before
that one was a Mac Dill bird, Blue Section 62nd TTS, The failure was the LEF PDU, allowed the free rotation of the LEF up to almost 80 degrees.
The Asymetry Brake did lock out but the Asymetry Brake Torque Shaft was twisted like a barberpole.
The pilot was on his first night solo flight and when this happened he experienced an uncomanded roll to the left. He punched the wing tanks and the Right tank did not separate. With the right tank still on the airframe it gave enough of an imbalance to counteract most of the roll, so that he only had to dial in full trim and a little stick pressure.
After landing he got out of the jet and kissed the ground.
I was kinda shocked to have seen the damage and the fact that he flew back safely and landed.
Posted by Guest on Sun 21 Nov 2004 02:47:26 PM CET
One hell of a spoiler effect though....
Posted by Guest on Sat 20 Nov 2004 06:25:39 PM CET
Do you really think all 4 actuators failed at the same time MrFalconfixer?
1 of the 2 shafts from the PDU to #1 act. failed and what happened to the assymetry brake?
Posted by Guest on Fri 05 Nov 2004 10:56:30 AM CET
rotory actuator failure usually causes this type of thing.
Posted by Guest on Thu 04 Nov 2004 03:19:16 PM CET
how the hell he flew this thing
Posted by Guest on Mon 01 Nov 2004 11:30:48 AM CET
No way that thing flew like that soon as hydraulic pressure is applied they would have done that if incorrectly rigged or it if it did happen in flight not done to rigging major internal failure of the PDU.
Posted by Guest on Sat 30 Oct 2004 10:04:45 PM CEST
Seen that before....someone didn\'t rig the PDU correctly......OOPS!
Posted by Guest on Tue 26 Oct 2004 08:27:27 PM CEST