Hey, there may be some credence in Vark Vet's thoughts. I had over ten years experience with the F-16. Now, I didn't have the tutelage of the original F-16 cadre from Hill or MacDill but I think I did well on the aircraft. But, I also have 14 years on the venerable Vark; in fact I sent many to the boneyard. . . quite the sad day. I played with the D's (thank Gawd they're gone), the F's (if weren't for that eyeball I'd say get rid of the thing), the E's (now that's a jet, boys) and the G's (an FB in tactical clothing). In the closing days of the Vark I don't think there were too many aircraft could best it. Okay, there was that time one of our G's lost all its spoilers in this tight turn going 1-V-1 on a Viper. But there was that time at Redflag that we killed a Viper 'cause the driver wasn't aware we mod'd 'em with AIM 9Ps. Naw, I'm with Vark Vet on this one!