Comparison Between the F-35 and the Eurofighter

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 17:44

I know this is an F-16 Forum but I am sure I can ask that question.

What aircraft is better the F-35 or the Eurofighter (I take those two because the are the best to be built) :?:

Please be subjective.
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 17:54

My take, F-35 mainly for it's stealthiness. And maybe more "multi-role" that the Typhoon - don't quote me on that though. It's a good airplane, but less than JSF for sure.

Can you imagine us greeks with F-35 ? :lol: :twisted:
"144-0 kill ratio.....Ok 144-1 but that's 1 compared to your entire airforce."
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 18:06

Depends what you want :P

The F-35 has its stealth over Typhoon but thats it. Typhoon technically has more combat persistance especially in air-air carrying a heavier warload. If F-35 is to carry HOBs they have to be external, greatly disabling stealth benefits. Also, around the time F-35 comes in service Typhoon will have a much more powerful radar system. Whilst having virtually the same situational awareness systems.

I think my favourite quote is as such "If you want to defend your airspace, control enemy airspace and attack Baghdad from stand-off range: Typhoon. If you want to fly over Baghdad undetected and use cheap ordnance: F-35"

Then again, I would take an F-22 over both of them any day.

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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 18:30

I think he asks because of Turkey getting the JSF and Greece the Typhoon, so maybe it's a Typhoon vs. JSF hehe !
"144-0 kill ratio.....Ok 144-1 but that's 1 compared to your entire airforce."
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 18:37

But then again, if the JSF retains its current pricetag (highly unlikely, but still), the Eurofighter is just about twice as expensive. Now would you buy a 5th gen stealth aircraft for half the price of a 4th generation aircraft with FRENCH parts in it? :lol:
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 20:01

Lasse wrote:But then again, if the JSF retains its current pricetag (highly unlikely, but still), the Eurofighter is just about twice as expensive. Now would you buy a 5th gen stealth aircraft for half the price of a 4th generation aircraft with FRENCH parts in it? :lol:


good point lol :lol:
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 20:06

Lasse wrote:But then again, if the JSF retains its current pricetag (highly unlikely, but still), the Eurofighter is just about twice as expensive. Now would you buy a 5th gen stealth aircraft for half the price of a 4th generation aircraft with FRENCH parts in it? :lol:


since when has the F-35 been £30million an aircraft figures ive seen are far above this figure? Typhoon is £64million per aircraft (fact! march 2006).

Oh and you can bet F-35 will have some french parts in it.

Both are still better than a completely french aircraft :)
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 20:40

seat_dreamer wrote:Can you imagine us greeks with F-35 ? :lol: :twisted:


I am sure the Greek Pilots will play a lot with the F-35 but as for the control over the Agean no doubt the Greeks are in better shape (only because they will buy the Eurofighter first).

For the French parts. Guys give me a break even Turkey can produce JSF. (just kidding)
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 20:43

Its more than likely both Turkey and Greece will end up with Typhoon AND F-35 :)

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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 21:42

Well, I don't know about pound figures, but what I've seen is $45mill for the JSF (F-35A mind you) and $79mill for the Euro. Now obviously, the JSF's price will go up, but as long as it stays cheaper than the EF I think it's a good choice.
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 22:52

And EF won't go up??? Guess its new radar comes for free in a cornflakes package.

Latest price projections for JSF average acoss all variants is $50m with F-35A at $47m and F-35B a tad under $60m. i.e. half the price of EF plus the ability to fly from ships & austere sites.

Fact is that for every air to ground mission, JSF is notably superior to EF. Chat of EF having longer range and carrying ability is a total crock. Carrying the same payload, JSF can go twice as far. And if the payload is carried internally by JSF, at higher speeds and much, much lower RCS.

Nonsense about Baghad doesn't bear examination. If JSF is the best for a heaviliy defended target, how on earth does it become 2nd best for less well defended targets? And saying Storm Shadow is the answer for everything is just daft, tell me how SS will do close air support for some grunt in a foxhole?

EF & JSF have been optimised for different capabilities. EF for air defense & JSF for ground attack. Neither is the best at the opposite discipline. Smart & rich air forces would get both. Poorer ones need to decide which is more important.
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 22:53

Forgot to ask about French components? what are you guys talking about?
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Unread post16 Jun 2006, 23:54

Its a kind of joke/(anti-french comment)
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Unread post20 Jun 2006, 14:16

F-35 easy. Stealth, more multi-role...
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Unread post20 Jun 2006, 15:24

F-35 easy. Stealth, more multi-role...

Nice point by RonO
EF & JSF have been optimised for different capabilities. EF for air defense & JSF for ground attack. Neither is the best at the opposite discipline. Smart & rich air forces would get both. Poorer ones need to decide which is more important.

I agree that STEALTH is important but still you dont have stealth all the time (i mean with external ordinance).
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