New F-16 support deal plus possibly F-16Vs for Pakistan

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Unread post27 Jul 2019, 03:13

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/p ... 16-program

"Peace Drive F-16 program" of Pakistan ?
That's some nice terminology.
Seems 60 odd US personnel will be on 24 hrs deployment in Pakistan for monitoring and assistance under this 125 m usd program.

The net is full of stories about Pakistan getting the new f16Vs and upgradation of its present f16s to the V standard.?
I guess usa got tired of getting India to buy into the f16 family and reverted to its old ally.
Maybe to pressurize India to buy the f16s. Which won't happen.
Or maybe its for Pakistan's help in American withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Let's see how this pans out.
Any views on f16sV vs the Rafael India is buying.?
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Unread post27 Jul 2019, 09:47

Highly unlikely that they'd get any new vipers for the time being,there might be a chance if India rejects the F.21 which is more so written on the cards anyways.
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Unread post27 Jul 2019, 11:15

Last time Pakistan wanted more new Block 52+ Vipers they wanted the US to pay for them, which the US declined. And hence no further new Vipers for Pakistan.
Doubt Pakistan has more money now to buy further Vipers than last time :wink:
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Unread post27 Jul 2019, 15:43

Boman wrote:Last time Pakistan wanted more new Block 52+ Vipers they wanted the US to pay for them, which the US declined. And hence no further new Vipers for Pakistan.
Doubt Pakistan has more money now to buy further Vipers than last time :wink:

Pakistan won't have to pay a penny.
America is desperate to exit Afghanistan with some modicum of respect. They want Pakistan to use its influence on the taliban to reduce their attacks, so that usa can declare mission accomplished and exit.
But Pakistan will want its pound of flesh and extract as much out of usa before using its influence. They know that once the Americans leave , Pakistan will lose all its leverage.
Since trump is basically a transactional sort of guy, very much focused on reducing the financial drain that Afghanistan is, he would gladly humor the Pakistani requests. And this in any case has been American strategy in South Asia since the 50s. Prop up Pakistan, dictators and all, to maintain a footprint in this part of the world.
Its not a very difficult decision for trump.
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Unread post28 Jul 2019, 09:06

There is no logic in the story about Pakistan getting F16V. Just the update alone to F16V is billion dollar price tag. what they are going to do, just upgrade one or two plane.
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Unread post28 Jul 2019, 14:46

F-16V upgrades or Block 70s...now this is out of the blue!
There is nothing official on it. Where did it come from? What is the source of this news?

Boman wrote:Last time Pakistan wanted ... last time :wink:

US is holding CSF for Pakistan. In case something is in offing, its quite likely that the new jets or upgrades will be covered by them. As of July 24th, 2019, pending CSF bill lying on Trump administration's table is USD 9 billion :shock:
Between 2007-2018, Pakistan's direct and indirect economic losses attributed to WoT are ~USD 125-130 billion.

vm wrote: America is desperate to exit Afghanistan with some modicum of respect. They want Pakistan to use its influence on the taliban...
They know that once the Americans leave , Pakistan will lose all its leverage...


Your statements are contradictory. Remember that despite what we are fed daily by media, majority of Afghanistan is directly or indirectly in control of Taliban.
There is no doubt in my mind that Pakistanis are persuading them to sit down and talk sense.

vm wrote: Pakistan won't have to pay a penny.

If the news has some basis, your assertion may well be true. (See my reply to Boman, above.)

vm wrote: Since trump is basically a transactional sort of guy, very much focused on reducing the financial drain that Afghanistan is, he would gladly humor the Pakistani requests. And this in any case has been American strategy in South Asia since the 50s. Prop up Pakistan, dictators and all, to maintain a footprint in this part of the world. Its not a very difficult decision for trump.


With OBL gone, AQ in tatters and has got a competitor in form of ISIS, getting out of Afghanistan is going to be a very stupid move.
With Taliban sharing power in Afghanistan, its much easier to counter ISIS (in military and economic terms) to not to regroup and settle in Afghanistan.
Remember that Taliban never had an agenda similar to ISIS or AQ. Though ISIS are on the run but they are still a threat, even to Muslim countries.
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Unread post28 Jul 2019, 15:01

Shimud wrote:F-16V upgrades or Block 70s...now this is out of the blue!
There is nothing official on it. Where did it come from? What is the source of this news?


No idea I was thinking somebody saw this and put 2 and 2 together - not worth commenting on for now surely.

and other related elements of logistics support to assist in the oversight of operations in support of the Pakistan Peace Drive advanced F-16 program
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Unread post28 Jul 2019, 15:10

Shimud, I guess you are of Pakistani origin and are giving their official version, with the 125 b usd loss, etc. Take this figure with a pinch of salt as the total gdp of 220 m Pakistanis is around 300 b usd.
Taliban gave open shelter to Al qaida, your version is just a Pakistani version trying to disassociate the taliban and the AQ. And of course a obvious attempt to give legitimacy to the taliban.
And the claim that taliban controls majority of Afghanistan is pure hogwash.They just explode bombs like terrorists to make their presence felt.
Pakistan received 33 b usd in 10 years from USA as aid after 9/11. Its a gravy train that the pak army loves. For doing basically nothing except asking the taliban not to attack the American convoys passing through Pakistan.
If the Americans leave, Pakistan would facilitate a face saving agreement and get its last pound of flesh, and the f16V might just be it.
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Unread post28 Jul 2019, 15:16

Oh my, another thread that attracts simplistic propaganda puppets.

Funny how these trolls suddenly pop out from their caves when certain keywords are met.
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Unread post30 Jul 2019, 14:13

Pakistan is still housing Al Qaeda and pushing for Taleban rule in Afghanistan and worse...

https://www.strategypage.com/qnd/india/ ... vNuQJednAE
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Unread post30 Jul 2019, 14:53

botsing wrote:Oh my, another thread that attracts simplistic propaganda puppets.

Funny how these trolls suddenly pop out from their caves when certain keywords are met.

I have the same feelings.
It's enough that someone will poop in some bushes on paki-indian border and these fanboys will gonna brag for 150 pages about who's poop that is and why their's better. Childish mentally to its finest
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Unread post31 Jul 2019, 20:54

vm wrote:https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/pakistan-technical-security-team-tst-continued-support-f-16-program

"Peace Drive F-16 program" of Pakistan ?
Thats some nice terminology.
Seems 60 odd US personnel will be on 24 hrs deployment in Pakistan for monitoring and assistance under this 125 m usd program.

The net is full of stories about Pakistan getting the new f16Vs and upgradation of its present f16s to the V standard.?
I guess usa got tired of getting India to buy into the f16 family and reverted to its old ally.
Maybe to pressurize India to buy the f16s. Which won't happen.
Or maybe its for Pakistan's help in American withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Let's see how this pans out.
Any views on f16sV vs the Rafael India is buying.?

Not happening.
The only source for this is wannabe show off and a fanboy 'Khafee' on Pak defence forum.
Totally retarded claim by him for internet likes.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 16:23

warbird86 wrote:Not happening.
The only source for this is wannabe show off and a fanboy 'Khafee' on Pak defence forum.
Totally retarded claim by him for internet likes.


- US reserved $125 million dollars to support Pakistan F16 program which mostly goes towards funding its oversight of Pakistani F16s by virtue of tens of ground staff stationed in Pakistan and of course the tech involved.

- Pakistan Defence Forum (PDF) isn't a reliable source as its mostly frequented by teen aviation geeks whose aviation experience is more watching DCS combats on YT than anything real. Also, Pakistan has not 'followed through' on a single turnkey military acquisition in the past few years that amounts anything near a billion dollars, even if it is from its friend China that can offer credit lines and dirt cheap products. Their only acquisition that realistically amounts this much is the JF17 which Pakistan has been piling up over the last decade, only because its the only new jet it can afford because it part manufactures it.

- Pakistan signed a deal for Turkish attack helicopters, its hit the cooler.

- Pakistan was supposed to buy ~36ish Chengdu J10s in 2000s and it didn't materialize and 10 years have passed, its pretty much a dead issue.

- PDF kids speculated Pakistan is looking at Russian Su35 to counter balance F21 purchase by India but again, that is all kid talk on Pakistan defense forums.

- Only thing that may happen is Pakistan taking delivery of 36 retired Egyptian Mirage V which is what its broken economy can probably afford. I am however curious as to how much would retired Mirage V cost PAF as it seems like a done deal at this time. If anyone has any ballpark figure with some logic, i'd appreciate a response.

- Even a realist Pakistani will not make such a quantum leap in a fantasy as thinking PAF can afford get any tangible F16 upgrades!
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 20:50

With the Indian PM visiting Houston yesterday, and Trump joining in the event, I think Pakistan's chances of getting much US$ has declined significantly.

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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 22:02

lamoey wrote:With the Indian PM visiting Houston yesterday, and Trump joining in the event, I think Pakistan's chances of getting much US$ has declined significantly.


It doesn't work like that. Just like Trump visiting doesn't guarantee Lockheed Martin a F21 (cough F16 block 70) deal with India, it doesn't take away from any sale to Pakistan either. Not saying it might not happen, the visit to a rally doesn't really say much about it in the larger scheme of things!

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