Final unofficial poll on the F-35 name

Discuss the F-35 Lightning II

What would be the best nickname for the F-35?

Lightning II
16
15%
Spitfire II
4
4%
Cyclone
12
11%
Reaper
12
11%
Black Mamba
8
7%
Piasa
1
1%
Razorback
11
10%
Diamondback
1
1%
Griffon
10
9%
Phoenix
27
25%
Cougar
6
6%
 
Total votes : 108

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Unread post30 May 2006, 21:54

Jeff already anounced it in the news article <a href="news_article1800.html">F-35 to be officially named before July 2006</a> and <a href="news_article1821.html">F-35 name possibilites leaking out</a>: the final naming for the F-35 will soon be a fact.

Gen. T. Michael "Buzz" Moseley seems to be having the final word on it but let's hear it from you guys... what would be the best name?

These were the previous threads on that topic:
  • <a href="f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-676.html">F-35 name assumptions</a>
  • <a href="f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-3083.html">F-35 Joint Strike Fighter nickname poll</a>

I've locked them so we can continue here in one an the same thread.

And here's an article from the Dallas Mornin News:
Name for F-35 will soon take flight

Air Force to choose moniker by June 30; Lightning II is favorite

12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, May 30, 2006
By RICHARD WHITTLE / The Dallas Morning News

The Air Force chief of staff will name the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter by June 30, choosing from six monikers that range from the historic to the arcane, military and industry officials say.

Officials at Lockheed Martin Corp., which largely builds the new multiservice stealth aircraft in Fort Worth, hope President Bush will announce the winning name in a visit to the factory proposed for July 7.

The six finalists being considered by Gen. T. Michael "Buzz" Moseley, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity, include two based on famed World War II fighters: Lightning II – the odds-on favorite – and Spitfire II.

The P-38 Lightning was built by Lockheed and flown by Richard Bong, the leading American ace of World War II with 40 kills of enemy aircraft.

The Spitfire was the British fighter credited with winning the 1940 Battle of Britain by taking on German fighters and bombers.

The F-35, which got its numerical designation after Lockheed won the contract five years ago, is to make its first flight this fall.

The plane is to be built in three versions, including an F-35B that can take off and land vertically, for three U.S. services and eight allies, including Britain.

The Air Force and Navy both proposed Lightning II, while the Marine Corps advocated Spitfire II, said a U.S. officer familiar with the deliberations.

The Air Force also submitted finalists Cyclone and Reaper, this officer said.

The finalists also include two more curious suggestions – Black Mamba and Piasa.

They were among several submitted by some of the allies that are partners in developing the F-35, industry and military officials said.

Black Mamba

The Black Mamba is one of the longest venomous snakes in the world and one of Africa's most feared. Col. Jaap Reijling, air attaché for the Embassy of the Netherlands in Washington, said his country proposed Black Mamba because the snake and the F-35 have much in common.

Among their shared features, according to a statement from the Dutch F-35 office: "Both can target a prey without being discovered. Both are very fast and lethal but not aggressive by nature."

"I think that is a definite Dutch feature: 'fast and lethal but not aggressive by nature,' " Col. Reijling said with a laugh.

Far less clear, those familiar with the list said, was why Denmark proposed Piasa, the name of a mythical man-devouring bird that appears in the lore of the Illini Indians of Illinois. A call to Denmark's representative for the F-35 program went unanswered.

The Piasa – pronounced "pie-a-saw" – was described in a diary kept by Father Jacques Marquette in 1673, as he and Louis Joliet explored the area near today's Mississippi River town of Alton, Ill.

Winnowed out

A review by Air Force lawyers for potential trademark violations and other objections has winnowed out names proposed by other allies, the U.S. officer said.

Britain proposed Fury, a favorite of many Lockheed and military officials but a name that risked a trademark conflict with the Plymouth Fury auto, this officer said.

Other rejects and the countries or services that offered them include Phantom, Australia; Scorpion, Canada and the Marine Corps; Mustang, Marine Corps; and Skyruler, Turkey.

However they managed to become finalists, Black Mamba and Piasa appear to have little chance of passing Gen. Moseley's muster.

"I don't want to speculate on what he will choose, but Gen. Moseley is a huge military history buff," offered Maj. Glen Roberts, the chief of staff's spokesman.

Given Gen. Moseley's love of military history and the proximity of the Grand Prairie native's hometown to the Lockheed plant, the smart money among those privy to the final list is Lightning II.

That's the name Lockheed originally wanted for its F-22 Raptor, the Air Force's newest stealth fighter.

The Air Force ultimately rejected Lightning II for the F-22, a decision made by one of Gen. Moseley's predecessors, and instead chose Raptor, a name in keeping with the service's late 20th century tradition of naming fighter planes for birds of prey.

The F-16 Fighting Falcon and the F-15 Eagle were the F-22's immediate predecessors.

Importance of heritage

In naming planes, the Air Force takes into account "a lot of different things," Maj. Roberts said, but especially heritage.

"That's a hugely important aspect of where we're going," he said.

Bill Sweetman, technology editor for the defense publishing company Jane's Information Group and author of several books on aircraft, said there were "a lot of different traditions" in naming planes.

The Army traditionally names its helicopters after Indian nations, he noted.

Army pilots fly the OH-58D Kiowa Warrior and the AH-64 Apache, for example.

During the early history of fighter planes, the companies that built the aircraft usually named them.

"The former Grumman Co., its fighters all had cat names, going back to the 1940s," he noted.

Those included World War II's F4F Wildcat, F6F Hellcat, F7F Tigercat and F8F Bearcat, as well as the modern F-14 Tomcat, a swing-wing jet just retired by the Navy.

Another former fighter plane company, Republic, included thunder in the names of its planes. And in the early years of the jet age, Lockheed favored names that included star, according to aerospaceweb.org, a nonprofit Web site run by aerospace engineers and scientists.

Lacking consistency

"There's been no real consistency to it, as far as the Air Force goes," Mr. Sweetman said. The P-51 of World War II was the Mustang, he noted, and the Korean War F-86 was the Sabre.

The Army Air Corps, which became the Air Force after World War II, used P, for pursuit, to designate fighter planes.

The Air Force switched to F for fighter when it was founded in 1948.

No matter what name Gen. Moseley chooses, other services and countries could still call their F-35s by a different name, Maj. Roberts said, "but historically, that has not happened."

But like people, planes don't always go by their given names.

In the Air Force, "very few guys I know call the F-16 the Fighting Falcon," Maj. Roberts said. "It's the Viper."

And Mr. Sweetman observed that the A-10, a ground attack jet still in use, is officially the Thunderbolt II but is affectionately called the Warthog because of its clunky lines.

"It's silly business, really," Mr. Sweetman said, "because the aircraft are very seldom known by their real names."
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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:09

So? Fury was rejected for being a car? How pathetic... the Fury family was the most powerful piston engined fighter ever credited with the most jet kills by a prop aircraft. With Naval and land based versions.

I would be insulted if it was called the Spitfire II though, its like the Hurricane, a legend that can never be copied or superceeded.

Out of all those names, I'd go for the Black Mamba... follows the vipers heritage. I believe Lightning II was the original name for the F-22 aswell!

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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:13

boff180 wrote:Out of all those names, I'd go for the Black Mamba... follows the vipers heritage. I believe Lightning II was the original name for the F-22 aswell!


Hey andy,

feel free to actually vote for Black Mamba in the poll!

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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:18

boff180 wrote:I believe Lightning II was the original name for the F-22 aswell!


Correct. It says so in article:

[...]LightningII. The name Lockheed originally wanted for its F-22 Raptor, the Air Force's newest stealth fighter.
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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:33

Urgghhh! Please remove "CYCLONE" from your poll!! It sounds like a type of washing machine or vacuum cleaner! Fury would have been good, although ruled out..

I am afraid I would have to go for Griffon from the list, the rest are pretty poor or too "Hollywood". Spitfire and Lightning definately don`t fly with me! Why isn`t "Kestrel" there? That seemed popular in the other threads...


P.S. If Cyclone wins this poll I will show my A@s in a busy train Station!
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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:35

Although I think, with the UKs heavy participation in the program.... it should be the Lightning III not II.

Andy

EDIT: Snypa mate, they are the official final names :) oh and Griffon is the name of the RAFs AB412s (twin engined huey).
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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:46

Sorry, bit confused here Andy. What exactly are the 6 "Official" final names? The article posted by Lieven says there are 6 shortlist names...

Are these F-16.net shortlist names or the REAL shortlist names????
Cyclone still sucks!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Griffon, spelled differently is also the name for a famous WW2 era piston engine, but what the heck!!!
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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:50

cyclone, reaper, blackmamba, spitfire II, Lightning II, piasa

griffin was also used in the shackleton :p

Lightning III instead of Lightning II, don't forget the EE Lightning! :)
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Unread post30 May 2006, 22:52

:thumb: Got to agree, Lightning 3 would be better. Best of that bunch...
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Unread post31 May 2006, 00:00

Cougar (II?) is cool...
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Unread post31 May 2006, 00:09

I believe the name lightning II doesn't sound to American to me. It's also cheesy , it doesn't have a good tone to it, just say it out loud " F-35 Lightning II" there's to many syllables.

Griffon is my choice, just say it "F-35 Griffon" only 2 syllables. Think about it.
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Unread post31 May 2006, 01:11

Cougar would have to be "Cougar II" (Grumman F9F-5, anyone?).

Lightning would have to be "Lightning III" with the Brits' participation...this would follow the P-38, and the EE Lightning.

My vote is still for Phantom III. It's used for AA and AG. It's used by the USAF, USN, USMC, and the RAF and RN. It seems like they're trying to turn it into one of those "Do it all" kind of fighters. Oh yeah, and it's a LO fighter. LO = hard to see...kind of "Phantom"-like, eh?

Ah, Foxtrot it. TC's probably in a large group of one on this vote...

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Unread post31 May 2006, 01:21

boff180 wrote:So? Fury was rejected for being a car? How pathetic... the Fury family was the most powerful piston engined fighter ever credited with the most jet kills by a prop aircraft. With Naval and land based versions.

I would be insulted if it was called the Spitfire II though, its like the Hurricane, a legend that can never be copied or superceeded.

Out of all those names, I'd go for the Black Mamba... follows the vipers heritage. I believe Lightning II was the original name for the F-22 aswell!

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Yeah, the Hurricane won the Battle of Britain. No airplane should ever be the Hurricane II.

I have always thought that just adding II to a name is just unoriginal, and it begs the community to come up with a new name anyway. IE- the Thunderbolt II.
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Unread post31 May 2006, 06:57

snypa777 wrote:Why isn`t "Kestrel" there? That seemed popular in the other threads...


The Kestrel was the predecessor of the Harrier.

snypa777 wrote:P.S. If Cyclone wins this poll I will show my A@s in a busy train Station! In any city of your choosing guys! :wink:


Anyone up for similar bets? ;-)

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Unread post31 May 2006, 10:34

Hmm...

I have to admit that, like Boff, I don't like the idea of reusing Spitfire (although i appreciate the USMC putting it forward). Lightning works from the perspective that it has strong links with both the US and UK (albeit in different generations).

I wanted Tempest to make the short list so we could continue the trend in the UK of naming modern aircraft after Hawker's late war aircraft (Tornado, Typhoon...). Fury would have been accepted though!

Oh well, not as if there isn't precedence for the UK ignoring the US name. Martlet/Wildcat anyone?

For what it's worth Black Mamba sounds like a cocktail, Cyclone a vacuum cleaner and Reaper like it belongs in a summer blockbuster!
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