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Unread post16 Mar 2019, 13:33

Holy smokes... this is Sputnik news level reporting. F-15 a mach 3 bird. Who knew?? And hypersonics for what, CON US air defense?? Talk about overkill!

If the Canadians had any brains, they'd step in and offer to buy them for $1 more than what Boeing's proposing. A mach 3 capable, hypersonic weapons carrying, low CPFH fighter with a 20,000hr service life sounds precisely like what they need. Big(ger) country than ours, whole lotta real estate to cover. It could also meet their NATO obligations. Plus, it'd help Trudeau get out of the corner he's painted himself into when he said, "no F-35".

From what I can see, it'd be ideal for Canada!
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Unread post16 Mar 2019, 15:37

usnvo wrote:
marsavian wrote:There is also another flaw in this saving money argument, they will be replacing old F-15C single seaters with latest spec two seat F-15E which will mean the addition of a WSO to go with that F-15C pilot and that won't be cheap. However it does seem Boeing via Shanahan has the whole DoD singing from this new hymnsheet so Congress will have to work hard to counter all these arguments and it just may not bother and sign them off anyway.


I was under the impression that the new F-15 (I vote for SDE or Super Duper Eagle) is pretty much identical to the F-15SA/F-15QA. So it is still a single seater.


All F-15E variants e.g. F-15SA/F-15QA/F-15EX are two seaters, Pilot and WSO. When/If the DoD places an order for F-15CX then we will know Boeing have actually got round to making a single seater out of their current production line.
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 02:34

marsavian wrote:
usnvo wrote:
marsavian wrote:There is also another flaw in this saving money argument, they will be replacing old F-15C single seaters with latest spec two seat F-15E which will mean the addition of a WSO to go with that F-15C pilot and that won't be cheap. However it does seem Boeing via Shanahan has the whole DoD singing from this new hymnsheet so Congress will have to work hard to counter all these arguments and it just may not bother and sign them off anyway.


I was under the impression that the new F-15 (I vote for SDE or Super Duper Eagle) is pretty much identical to the F-15SA/F-15QA. So it is still a single seater.


All F-15E variants e.g. F-15SA/F-15QA/F-15EX are two seaters, Pilot and WSO. When/If the DoD places an order for F-15CX then we will know Boeing have actually got round to making a single seater out of their current production line.



Yes, the OSD says the New F-15EX are needed to replace the F-15C's. Yet, the F-15EX is nothing but an updated "Strike Eagle. (i.e. F-15E) Which, is in essence really a Tactical Bomber not an "Air Superiority Fighter". Just one of a number of reasons given to acquire the F-15X. Which, don't hold water....
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 14:45

usnvo wrote:
quicksilver wrote:And 10 of the 20 F-35 Cs are USMC jets...

It doesn't really matter if they are USMC or USN squadrons.


It matters to the USMC and the USN. The Navy diddled around with their procurement numbers for years (while simultaneously courting more SH numbers). 101 was essentially a flying club; the USMC would have taken some of those jets and transitioned an operational unit and thereby IOCd the first 'C' squadron too. The shrieking would have been historic.
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 15:08

:shock: "...The shrieking would have been historic." :roll: :twisted: :devil: LIKE IN THE MOVIES?! SHREEK! SHREEK!? :roll: 8) :shock:
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 21:15

The Justification Books are up (both USAF and USN).

Dive in...

USAF
https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/FM-Resources/Budget/

USN
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Pag ... -2020.aspx

-------Things found
F-15EX:
F-15EX "details" are just "airframe", no GFE, CFE, avionics, engines, etc. REC Flyway is $80mil but full Flyaway is $131 mil.

"The pre-decisional plan is for the first two aircraft ordered in FY20 to be taken from the existing production line and delivered approximately 2 years after contract award to support flight testing. The subsequent delivery of aircraft 3-8, also ordered in FY20, are expected approximately 3 to 3.5 years after contract award."

F-35A:
All F-35As will be Block 3F by the end of FY2020. There are only 13 left that needed Tech Refresh 2 (from Lots 2-5) and 60+ from Lots 6-9ish (3F cutover was mid Lot) that only need a software update by the end of FY2020.

All Concurrency updates due for completion by the end of FY2024.

F-35B:
All early Lot F-35Bs are at least Block 3i and all F-35Bs will be Block 3F by end of FY2020.

F-35C:
All F-35Cs will be Block 3F by end of FY2019
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 22:08

The F-15C/D Wing SLEP disappears without a trace. And so does the F-35A ramp rate.
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 22:14

Thanks for being able to READ those details 'SWP'. The USN PDF is almost impossible to read, let alone GROK, for moi. :roll:
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 22:24

Heh, so the F-15EX low cost price is just smoke and mirrors, bait and switch. Excellent news about all the F-35 being initial production standard 3F by FY2020, concurrency theory came good in the end ! ;)
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Unread post18 Mar 2019, 23:53

Concurrency is not tied to a specific Block standard. It has more to do with airframe life and ease of maintenance. That is why it's "All 3F" by FY2020 and "All Concurrency done" by FY2024.
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Unread post19 Mar 2019, 00:39

quicksilver wrote:
usnvo wrote:
quicksilver wrote:And 10 of the 20 F-35 Cs are USMC jets...

It doesn't really matter if they are USMC or USN squadrons.


It matters to the USMC and the USN. The Navy diddled around with their procurement numbers for years (while simultaneously courting more SH numbers). 101 was essentially a flying club; the USMC would have taken some of those jets and transitioned an operational unit and thereby IOCd the first 'C' squadron too. The shrieking would have been historic.


Honestly, still don't see the problem? As the USMC already operate four Strike Fighter Squadrons within USN Carrier Air Wings and has so for decades. So, nothing has changed.....

I would add the US Congress will likely buy F-35C's at a slightly higher rate than currently planned by the USN/USMC. Which, means the two squadrons per CVW should happen within the decade. (by 2030)

Also, after that is complete. Odds are good that the USN will just continue to buy F-35C's and start replacing the remaining Super Hornets. Which, shouldn't surprise anyone as the Super Hornet did the same with the Hornets. This is also supported by the fact that the NGAD won't be ready during this time frame either.
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Unread post19 Mar 2019, 01:55

There was no way in hell the Navy was going let the first deployed/operational F-35C squadron have MARINES painted on the side. Once that potentiality was killed by circumstances, the reprofiled POM for B procurement emerges (from an apparent agreement on the USMC/USN split for Cs).
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Unread post19 Mar 2019, 02:35

quicksilver wrote:There was no way in hell the Navy was going let the first deployed/operational F-35C squadron have MARINES painted on the side. Once that potentiality was killed by circumstances, the reprofiled POM for B procurement emerges (from an apparent agreement on the USMC/USN split for Cs).



Sorry, to break it to you. Yet, the first Aircraft Carrier Deployment with the F-35C will be on the USS Carl Vinson in 2021. Which, will have two Squadrons....VFA-147 (USN) and VMFA-314 (USMC)


As far as Naval Aviation goes USN and USMC pilots are one and the same. Both being "Naval Aviators" with Wings of Gold...

Honestly, have no idea why anybody would be excited by it. As the USN and USMC aren't..... :wink:
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