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Unread post16 Mar 2019, 01:53

Gums wrote:Salute!

You got it, Count.

Not only that, but when the Earth was still cooling our original speed "gate" for the Viper radar had to be raised. This showeed itself worst when the jets went to Europe and flew over the Autobahn. a zillion targets showed up when looking down!! Our problemin Utah was I-84 and speedo folks. But only those zooming along ten or fifteen MPH over the limit. So they had to raise the "ignore" speed. Helos were still not a problem due to the spinning rotors, but I guess zeppelins with cloth envelopes, eagle feather control surfaces and balsa frames might be trouble.

So look for funny things in next RF besides the chariots

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Ive read reports in the 80's and 90's Eagles locking up Porsches and Das Benze! zipping along on the Autobahn. Vaguely recall they it filtered to 90MPH and up.
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Unread post16 Mar 2019, 07:23

firebase99 wrote:
Gums wrote:Salute!

You got it, Count.

Not only that, but when the Earth was still cooling our original speed "gate" for the Viper radar had to be raised. This showeed itself worst when the jets went to Europe and flew over the Autobahn. a zillion targets showed up when looking down!! Our problemin Utah was I-84 and speedo folks. But only those zooming along ten or fifteen MPH over the limit. So they had to raise the "ignore" speed. Helos were still not a problem due to the spinning rotors, but I guess zeppelins with cloth envelopes, eagle feather control surfaces and balsa frames might be trouble.

So look for funny things in next RF besides the chariots

Gums sends...


Ive read reports in the 80's and 90's Eagles locking up Porsches and Das Benze! zipping along on the Autobahn. Vaguely recall they it filtered to 90MPH and up.


Reminds me that one of the (many) problems with the Nimrod AEW was that it tried to track every moving car in UK - overwhelmed the 1970s computer power!
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Unread post16 Mar 2019, 11:55

I think Mike "Dozer" Shower also told that he picked up someone doing their best Lightning McQueen impersonation on a highway while looking for Fulcrums over Bosnia.

So perhaps An-2 Colt and other "bush" props are the real stealth aircraft, especially in IR and acoustic department. :D I have read some speculations that supposedly South Koreans infil their SOF into best Korea using Colts at very low altitude.
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Unread post16 Mar 2019, 22:31

old_rn wrote:Reminds me that one of the (many) problems with the Nimrod AEW was that it tried to track every moving car in UK - overwhelmed the 1970s computer power!

Thankfully the F-35 was designed to track over 100 items now and the expected 25x increase in computing power in Block4 (TR3) should insulate it even further from those kinds of issues.
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Unread post20 Mar 2019, 22:29

Don't often visit SLDinfo these days so here is an OLDie but Goldie... LONG article best read at SOURCE - with paras even.
The F-35 and the Next Gen Battlespace
26 Feb 2019 SLDinfo

"The recent news from Red Flag 2019-1 with regard to how the F-35 is teaming with other elements of an air combat force to deliver air superiority is hardly a surprise to readers of Second Line of Defense who have travelled with us over the more than a decade to get to the point where we have reached. And where we are is only a foundation for where airpower will next evolve.

The “future is now” with regard to dealing with peer competitors like China and Russia and the F-35 is a key element of shaping evolving combat capability to prevail in a contested environment....

...The acceleration of information flows for 5th generation systems such as the F-35, is about more than just radios and data links – communication with other platforms and sensors in the physical battlespace is but one aspect. The most decisive effects are the result of a sophisticated interaction between people and the platform which is changing the way we think about and comprehend the emerging operational environment....

FUTURE READY
...Even now, critics and lobbyists still default to comparisons with the F-22 Raptor, and describe the F-35 in terms of “troubled” or “controversial”, rather than transformational and now, combat proven. They ignore the F-35’s debut at the world’s most complex large-scale training event – Red Flag – where it reportedly achieved an unprecedented twenty-to-one kill ratio.

Yet to measure the F-35 simply in terms of platform performance misses the point entirely. One of the key reasons the JSF program has survived the global financial crisis, sequestration, highly-paid lobbyists, and others with a colourful variety of pecuniary interests is that it promotes the new approach to warfare needed to succeed in the information age, and delivers capability which can be measured directly in terms of its contribution to joint operations….

DISTRIBUTING LETHALITY
...The F-35’s key contribution to a joint force is its prolific ability to share information and to profoundly accelerate the combat decision-making processes, especially targeting. Targeting is the golden thread which integrates the effort to combine the intelligence, political, legal, environmental, technological, conceptual and moral factors into the way western democracies plan and execute engagements. It enables a sophisticated, rules-based, human interaction with warfare, and accelerates the decision-making process to compensate for those adversaries who do not play by our rules. It allows us to do the ‘right’ thing, even in the ‘fog of war’....

PROJECTING FUTURE STATUS
...the F-35 has become the first modern tactical fighter jet to fly without the need for a HUD, because its helmet mounted display (HMD) provides the pilot with unrivalled levels of SA fed by 360-degree coverage from multiple fused sensors, even allowing the pilot to visualise the battlespace beneath his or her feet through the aircraft’s floor.

This is a technological advancement driven by decades of experience which has proven time and again that an information deficit and a lack of SA hands the initiative and advantage to the adversary whom, more often than not, arrives as an unwelcome surprise.

UNSEEN ATTACKERS
One of the best open-source analyses of SA in the context of air combat was written by Barry D. Watts, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA), in his paper ‘Clausewitzian Friction and Future War’. Watts’ observations draw upon data collected from operational experience and, more convincingly, are scientifically derived from operational evaluations of weapons systems such as the AMRAAM dating back to 1981.

Watts observed that, “Air combat experience going at least back to World War II suggests that surprise in the form of the unseen attacker has been pivotal in three-quarters or more of the kills…if some 80 per cent of the losses have resulted from aircrews being unaware that they were under attack until they either were hit or did not have time to react effectively, then a relative deficit of situation awareness has been the root-cause of the majority of losses in actual air-to-air combat.”...

THE EDGE OF CHAOS
...As mentioned earlier, the F-35 has extended this [SA] advantage to a 20-1 kill-ratio providing further evidence during complex training events that enhanced SA, information advantage, and success go hand-in-hand. However, cognitive performance during actual air combat engagements introduces additional human factors difficult to replicate in training....

...Solving this problem through the targeting function has been a key design feature of the F-35, providing a universal benefit to the joint force and a means of managing the catastrophic risks associated with fratricide by easing the cognitive overload associated with combat engagements and, in particular, air combat within visual range of an adversary or proximity to friendly forces...." [A TONNE OF TEXT NOT excerpted here so best read at source]

Source: https://sldinfo.com/2019/02/the-f-35-an ... ttlespace/
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Unread post20 Mar 2019, 22:41

Deleted as I posted it in the wrong thread. :doh:

SWP has it covered in F-15X.
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 06:06

F-35 Pilot Interviews with the last one from RED FLAG 1/2019 - Complete article in nine page PDF attached below.
THE F-35 FACES ITS MOST CRITICAL TEST WHAT PILOTS SAY ABOUT THE WORLD’S MOST ADVANCED FIGHTER.
April/May 2019 INTERVIEWS BY LINDA SHINER

"...LIEUTENANT COLONEL YOSEF MORRIS | USAF 4TH SQUADRON;
COMMANDER, 388TH FIGHTER WING, HILL AIR FORCE BASE

In 2012, Morris transitioned to the F-35 from the F-16. He was part of the initial cadre that stood up the first F-35 squadron at Edwards Air Force Base, and he led the 4th Fighter Squadron in 2017 and 2019 Red Flag exercises.

In the two years since [the 388th’s] last Red Flag exercise, the airplane itself has had some pretty significant advancements. A couple of months before the 2017 Red Flag, the Air Force declared that the squadron was what we call “initial operational capable.” So the jet still had some operating limitations— altitude, airspeed, Gs, things like that. The software on the aircraft, though very capable, still had some limitations in terms of some of the systems and some of the weapons it could control. Fast forward two years, and we’re operating with what’s referred to as full warfighting capability software. It’s a more advanced F-35 than it was two years ago.

[In the mission to suppress enemy air defenses,] we’re trying to prevent surface-to-air missiles from targeting other aircraft that are trying to get to different objectives. The F-35 has some really good sensors that can help us locate those threats. That’s a very satisfying mission to be able to target something that’s trying to shoot at you, especially when [you’re] helping out some other assets to get to a target and keeping them safe.

The jet is sort of like a big antenna. It is receiving emissions from things that are radiating. And sometimes the [F-35’s] radar is actively trying to get information on, for example, an adversary aircraft. We can mission-plan the sensors, depending on the type of mission.

And in a large-force environment like Red Flag, where there might be as many as 60 or 70 aircraft on the Blue side and 10 or 20 adversary aircraft, lots of things on the ground—that’s a lot of information to interpret. Reading the first sortie on the first day, I certainly felt overwhelmed with the amount of information. And the next sortie I flew, I could manage some of my sensors differently to give me just the information I needed for that particular mission. Figuring out how to declutter your display to match the scenario is one of the main skills we learn here that we can’t simulate in day-to-day training, because you don’t get to train with the rest of the Department of Defense on a daily basis."

Source: AIR & SPACE Magazine April/May 2019 Vol.34 No.1
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Unread post21 Mar 2019, 07:34

Impressive as always.......... 8)
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