Navy to Establish Type Wing for F-35C Squadrons

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Unread post16 May 2018, 17:47

Navy to Establish Type Wing for F-35C Squadrons
15 May 2018 RICHARD R. BURGESS

"ARLINGTON, Va. — The Navy will establish a new type wing as commander over the service’s growing F-35C Lightning II strike fighter community.

According to an internal directive, commander, Joint Strike Fighter Wing, will be established on Aug. 1 at Naval Air Station (NAS) Lemoore, California. The new wing will man, train and equip the three current F-35C strike fighter squadrons (VFAs): the two fleet replacement squadrons, VFA-101 at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, and VFA-125 at Lemoore, plus VFA-147, an operational squadron currently in transition from the F/A-18E to the F-35C.

As more fleet squadrons make the transition to the F-35C, they will be reassigned from their current wing, Strike Fighter Wing, U.S. Pacific Fleet — also at Lemoore — or Strike Fighter Wing Atlantic at NAS Oceana, Virginia. Those wings will continue to man, train and equip the Navy’s F/A-18 strike fighter squadrons." [this paragraph makes no sense to me]

Source: http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/20180515-F35.html
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Unread post17 May 2018, 03:43

spazsinbad wrote:
Navy to Establish Type Wing for F-35C Squadrons
15 May 2018 RICHARD R. BURGESS

"ARLINGTON, Va. — The Navy will establish a new type wing as commander over the service’s growing F-35C Lightning II strike fighter community.

According to an internal directive, commander, Joint Strike Fighter Wing, will be established on Aug. 1 at Naval Air Station (NAS) Lemoore, California. The new wing will man, train and equip the three current F-35C strike fighter squadrons (VFAs): the two fleet replacement squadrons, VFA-101 at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, and VFA-125 at Lemoore, plus VFA-147, an operational squadron currently in transition from the F/A-18E to the F-35C.

As more fleet squadrons make the transition to the F-35C, they will be reassigned from their current wing, Strike Fighter Wing, U.S. Pacific Fleet — also at Lemoore — or Strike Fighter Wing Atlantic at NAS Oceana, Virginia. Those wings will continue to man, train and equip the Navy’s F/A-18 strike fighter squadrons." [this paragraph makes no sense to me]

Source: http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/20180515-F35.html


In plain English (at least as plain as an American can be when translating Navalese so I already have two strikes against me), US Naval Aircraft squadrons are assigned to an Operational Commander (Commander, Carrier Air Wing) and a Type (also known as administrative) Commander (Commander, Type Wing in this case). Commander, Naval Air Forces (COMNAVAIR) is a type commander and the type wing will work for him. Type commanders pay all the bills (also referred to as man, train, and equip forces). This applies to Submarines, Surface, and Expeditionary Warfare (SeaBees, Riverine/Coastal forces, EOD, Cargo Handlers, Beachmasters, etc) type commanders as well. The Operational Commander gets to play with the toys, the Type Commander pays for it all. Sort of like Parents and Kids. Hopefully, that is not too confusing or basic but it is important for explaining the last paragraph.

Commander, Strike Fighter Wing Pacific and Commander, Strike Fighter Wing Atlantic, are the Type Commanders for the F-18 squadrons based on the West or East Coast respectively. One of them has been the type commander for the F-35C but will shift that role to the new Type Wing. Since all future F-35C squadrons are currently existing F-18 squadrons, when they officially transition to the F-35C, they will shift Type Commanders from Strike Fighter Wing to the new Joint Strike Fighter Wing.

So, in short, all the last paragraph says is that the current F-18 type commanders will remain F-18 type commanders as long as there are F-18 squadrons to be type commanders of. Why Seapower couldn't have just said that is beyond me.
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Unread post17 May 2018, 04:21

Many thanks. :applause: Your command of the common English Language is excellent - keep up the good work! BZ. :applause: <no sarc>
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Unread post17 May 2018, 04:27

Seems like the practical and efficient way to transition the new jet into the fleet.
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Unread post17 May 2018, 04:58

Pretty accurate summary @ USNVO

In practical terms, when you are based ashore (i.e. not on deployment), operational squadrons fall both under TWC as well as their respective CAG. TWC is similar to a USAF Wing CC, but never deploys. On the squadron side, once you deploy, you no longer really report to the TWC (though they still retain some administrative oversight). At that point, you work for CAG, who works for the Carrier Strike Group (CSG) Commander (a Rear Admiral), who is "chopped" into (in other words "works for") whatever Fleet Commander owns your AOR (i.e. NAVCENT as a common example), who of course works for the CFACC/JFACC. It is somewhat more complex/layered than the USAF side, but for CONUS operations, the TWC is roughly equivalent to a Wing Commander.
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Unread post18 May 2018, 01:06

35_aoa wrote:Pretty accurate summary @ USNVO

In practical terms, when you are based ashore (i.e. not on deployment), operational squadrons fall both under TWC as well as their respective CAG. TWC is similar to a USAF Wing CC, but never deploys. On the squadron side, once you deploy, you no longer really report to the TWC (though they still retain some administrative oversight).


Well, although after you deploy you no longer directly report to the type wing on a day to day basis, there is still a dotted line relationship there and woe be the squadron commander who forgets that. The wings are still responsible to man the squadron (they are the ones that direct another squadron to cough up people if one of the deployed forces needs critical bodies or redirect personnel), steals spare parts or directs cannibalization of aircraft if required (or for that matter just takes complete jets), manage the budget including spare parts and fuel allocation, etc. Admittedly their work is usually pretty transparent but they are still involved, just not so much day to day.
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Unread post18 May 2018, 03:17

usnvo wrote:
Well, although after you deploy you no longer directly report to the type wing on a day to day basis, there is still a dotted line relationship there and woe be the squadron commander who forgets that. The wings are still responsible to man the squadron (they are the ones that direct another squadron to cough up people if one of the deployed forces needs critical bodies or redirect personnel), steals spare parts or directs cannibalization of aircraft if required (or for that matter just takes complete jets), manage the budget including spare parts and fuel allocation, etc. Admittedly their work is usually pretty transparent but they are still involved, just not so much day to day.


Yeah, absolutely agree, that was my point about TWC still having an administrative oversight responsibility to their deployed squadrons. That being said, CAG writes the FITREPs for squadron CO's, so like you mentioned, the relationship with TWC is more the business end of the "man, train, equip" side of the house. Most of what they care about is bean counter tracking and supply chain stuff, so that they may forward said details to Fleet Forces and ultimately Air Boss for review. All part of the documentation on their part, that they are doing their job and providing deployable squadrons/air wings to the COCOMs I suppose. For the most part, they are generally pretty helpful, and throughout the years, I've never gotten the impression that they are trying to get into our chili and run the show.

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