F-16 Block 70 spec for India 2018

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Unread post12 May 2018, 15:39

Robert ‘Elvis’ Balserak of Lockheed Martin spoke to StratPost at DefExpo 2018 and explained in detail, exactly what their F-16 offer to India looks like.

The U.S. defence and aerospace company is offering the F-16 Block 70 in response to the Indian Air Force (IAF) Request For Information (RFI) for 110 fighter aircraft, issued last month. While the earlier Lockheed Martin F-16 offer for the IAF’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contest was based on the Block 60, the Block 70 is an evolution of the Block 50 fighter variant.

Block 50 & Block 60 versus Block 70

Balserak first explained how the Block 70 was different from the previous Block 50 and Block 60 versions of the fighter.

“What makes a Block 70 a 70? Let’s start with structure first. So the Block 70, structurally, is based on a Block 50, with one exception. We’ve incorporated full-scale durability testing results into the design of the Block 70 to change the service life from 8000 hours to 12000 hours. So structurally, it is physically different from a Block 50,” he said.

‘Elvis’ explained further, “It is not a Block 60. A 60 is only operated by one customer (U.A.E.) and there are specific structural differences between a 50, a 60 and a 70. It was specifically designed for that customer and specifically designed to accommodate a GE-132 engine. It was also designed to house a customer-unique electronic warfare and radar suite — liquid-cooled AESA radar.”

“If you look at the U.A.E. customer’s airplane, you’ll see that it’s got air scoots and pumps that aren’t present in normal F-16s. And the reason those are there is to accommodate the electronic warfare suite and the liquid cooling for the AESA radar,” he said.



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“One of the things you can’t really see here, but inside the structure — we have a new mission computer. So the new mission computer is significantly faster than the old mission computers that are in any other F-16 and they are connected via Ethernet into the airplane so what that means is no more 1553 buses — it means we can send very large amounts of data very, very quickly throughout the airplane. The big difference in the cockpit is the Center Pedestal Display — it’s essentially a high definition television set. It is not a touchscreen. And that was deliberate because in this configuration touching the screen when the pilot is maneuvering around manipulating things — you could actually physically touch and move something you don’t want. That was on purpose.

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Balserak also says the Block 70 will have the ability to carry ten air-to-air missiles.
“This is the one that I really like — for the Indian Air Force we’re offering what are called triple rail launchers. So the standard F-16 that I flew in an air-to-air configuration or any other F-16 on the planet can carry only six missiles. That’s all you have. Just six. In this configuration you can carry ten air-to-air missiles. So, what does that mean in air-to-air combat?” he asked.
And answered, “Any other F-16 on the planet (including Pakistani) can only carry 6 missiles right now. This will enable you to have ten missiles. You have a radar that far outdistances any other F-16 radar out there — so I can see you first, I can shoot you first, I kill you first — it’s a significant difference in capability from any other F-16.”



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Lockheed Martin is also offering the Block 60 GE 132 engine for the Indian Block 70.
“A Block 50 baseline has either one of two engines — you either have a Pratt and Whitney — it’s called Pratt and Whitney 229 — that’s called the Block 52 — the airplanes that are powered by GE 129 engines — are called Block 50s. We originally wanted to offer the Indians the 129 engine. They had some performance requirements that required a little bit more thrust. So we’re going to put the engine that was in the Block 60 into the Block 70. So we’re going to put the GE 132 inside the Block 70. It will be — and this is from a man who has flown every version of the airplane there is and every motor we’ve ever put in the airplane — this airplane will be a rocketship. It will be an absolute rocketship,” he emphasized.




More here https://www.stratpost.com/detailed-lock ... -to-india/
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Unread post12 May 2018, 16:23

Summary

    12000 hour structure lifetime
    APG-83 AESA Radar (Air cooled)
    Avionics bus now Ethernet instead of MIL STD 1553
    New HD Centre Pedastal Display (Not touchscreen)
    GE-132 Engine (32500 lb class)
    Can A-A refuel from both types of Tanker (Probe & Drogue, boom)
    Uniform HAVEGLASS paint
    Up to 10 A-A missiles using triple launchers
    CFTs
    IRST Pod
    Sniper Pod
    Auto GCAS
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Unread post12 May 2018, 23:27

A very different beast from Pakistan Vipers.
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Unread post13 May 2018, 01:54

this airplane will be a rocketship. It will be an absolute rocketship,” he emphasized.


That is AWESOME. Mean sucker.
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Unread post15 May 2018, 11:45

Wonderful article. Thanks for posting!
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Unread post15 May 2018, 12:04

Is there any info about weights and internal fuel volume anywhere? F-16 Block 70 seems like a very promising 4++th gen jet to compete against SH and Eurocanards where F-35 can't be sold.
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Unread post16 May 2018, 00:01

popcorn wrote:A very different beast from Pakistan Vipers.

That eases the worries for the Indians....less of an issue for the Pakistanis....
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Unread post16 May 2018, 10:29

Excellent post basher, thanks for sharing :thumb:
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Unread post16 May 2018, 18:41

Thanks for sharing!
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Unread post25 Oct 2018, 12:32

Washington lets Delhi know: Buy our F-16s, can give Russia S-400 deal waiver

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... er-5409894

With India signing a pact with Russia to purchase the S-400 missile defence system, Washington has informally conveyed to Delhi that it could avoid sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) if India were to give an assurance that it would buy the F-16 fighter aircraft from the United States. Not keen on buying an aircraft already in service with Pakistan, India has refused to give any such assurance till date.

The fallout of the Trump administration’s reaction to the S-400 deal featured in the wide-ranging discussion between Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and US counterpart James Mattis in Singapore on Friday, but sources told The Indian Express that the offer of a CAATSA waiver in exchange for buying F-16 fighter jets was made earlier this month. Sitharaman and Mattis met on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations Defence Ministers’ Meeting Plus (ADMM Plus).
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Unread post27 Oct 2018, 18:41

marsavian wrote:Washington lets Delhi know: Buy our F-16s, can give Russia S-400 deal waiver

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... er-5409894

With India signing a pact with Russia to purchase the S-400 missile defence system, Washington has informally conveyed to Delhi that it could avoid sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) if India were to give an assurance that it would buy the F-16 fighter aircraft from the United States. Not keen on buying an aircraft already in service with Pakistan, India has refused to give any such assurance till date.

The fallout of the Trump administration’s reaction to the S-400 deal featured in the wide-ranging discussion between Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and US counterpart James Mattis in Singapore on Friday, but sources told The Indian Express that the offer of a CAATSA waiver in exchange for buying F-16 fighter jets was made earlier this month. Sitharaman and Mattis met on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations Defence Ministers’ Meeting Plus (ADMM Plus).

Washington are that desperate ?? My gosh....
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Unread post28 Oct 2018, 00:07

basher54321 wrote:Summary
triple launchers
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If they are using triple launchers, should they not carry 16 missile? Ir do the inner pylons not support AAMs?
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Unread post28 Oct 2018, 07:22

Correct, inner pylons are for fuel and air to mud munitions only.
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Unread post31 Oct 2018, 08:34

marsavian wrote:Washington lets Delhi know: Buy our F-16s, can give Russia S-400 deal waiver

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... er-5409894

With India signing a pact with Russia to purchase the S-400 missile defence system, Washington has informally conveyed to Delhi that it could avoid sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) if India were to give an assurance that it would buy the F-16 fighter aircraft from the United States. Not keen on buying an aircraft already in service with Pakistan, India has refused to give any such assurance till date.

The fallout of the Trump administration’s reaction to the S-400 deal featured in the wide-ranging discussion between Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and US counterpart James Mattis in Singapore on Friday, but sources told The Indian Express that the offer of a CAATSA waiver in exchange for buying F-16 fighter jets was made earlier this month. Sitharaman and Mattis met on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations Defence Ministers’ Meeting Plus (ADMM Plus).


Absurd the usual twisting of the facts or taking them out of context or both! Sure little doubt the US would talk to India about a waiver on the S400 and buying either the F-16 or Super Hornet. Yet, that hardly means we "told" India that they either had to buy one of the American Fighters or no waiver!

Clearly, just an Anti-US site trying to stir dissent.....
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