Lockheed to offer Japan advanced F-22 F-35 hybrid?

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Unread post15 May 2018, 03:32

Japan is not going to fund an F-22/F-35 Hybrid. Hell, they are lucky to be able to afford a modest number of F-35's each year. Which, she must have to counter the current and projected Chinese Threats from the PLAAF and PLAN. (i.e. J-20 and J-31)


As I have said over and over again. The most likely course is Japan will continue to purchase F-35's into the coming decade. While, joining with a future 6th Generation Program in another decade or so. Which, likely would be the F-X (USAF) or NGAD (USN) Programs from the US. Of course we are at the very early conceptual stages. So, we have a very long ways to go.....
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Unread post16 May 2018, 13:02

I wouldn't say that. Japan is extremely wealthy, 3rd largest GDP if I remember correctly. Hard to believe that number 5 (U.K) can order 138 B models but number 3 would be lucky to have 40 cheaper A models.

Right now the F-35s are there to replace the F-4Js. But it won't be long before they start looking at their F-15Js and decide to replace them. Question is, will they buy more F-35s or would this F-22/35 hybrid look like something worth while to look at.
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Unread post16 May 2018, 20:32

This F-22/35 hybrid won't cut it for 6th gen and PCA will be a lot more capable and longer range than what F-22 can do even with ADVENT. How do you fund a F-22/35 hybrid or even restart just basic F-22 production without taking funds away from PCA? You have 3 options.

1. Put money to restart F-22 production, which will take money away from PCA which will delay it
2. Let foreign partners buy F-22 but then you have to completely redesign avionics and technology to allow for export which means even more money
3. Put in a lot more money so you can somehow do F-22 restart and keep PCA on track

Don't see how any of these are good ideas. F-22 is a great plane today but it's not the plane of tomorrow. nuff said
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Unread post16 May 2018, 23:54

zero-one wrote:I wouldn't say that. Japan is extremely wealthy, 3rd largest GDP if I remember correctly. Hard to believe that number 5 (U.K) can order 138 B models but number 3 would be lucky to have 40 cheaper A models.

Right now the F-35s are there to replace the F-4Js. But it won't be long before they start looking at their F-15Js and decide to replace them. Question is, will they buy more F-35s or would this F-22/35 hybrid look like something worth while to look at.


Japan would still have to expand there military budget by 10 billion a year to develop a custom F-22/F-35 hybrid. Both the UK and Japan have similar air forces now and overall similar military budgets, the UK is investing a lot in carriers and smaller surface vessels, they need the F-35's as part of that CV investment. The Japanese navy already has the CV's if they choose (but smaller) and a much larger over all Navy(140 vs 70 commissioned ships) to support on the same budget, with plans to grow just about every part of it. If they want to keep there budget the same then straight F-35s are the only option, if they want to grow that budget by 10-15 billion then a custom fighter becomes a option. At this point there is a lot of opposition from there people in expanding the military budget.
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Unread post17 May 2018, 10:40

zero-one wrote:I wouldn't say that. Japan is extremely wealthy, 3rd largest GDP if I remember correctly. Hard to believe that number 5 (U.K) can order 138 B models but number 3 would be lucky to have 40 cheaper A models.

Right now the F-35s are there to replace the F-4Js. But it won't be long before they start looking at their F-15Js and decide to replace them. Question is, will they buy more F-35s or would this F-22/35 hybrid look like something worth while to look at.



Japan has openly stated that it will order 100 New Stealth Fighters by the end of 2018. So, clearly that has to be the F-35 as it's the only option. Plus, it's already in production in Japan.


As for the F-15J's half of the fleet is early (MSIP). Which, are not easy to upgrade to F-15J Kai standard. So, may guess is Japan will likely announce that it will order additional F-35's this fall. Which, will replace the aforementioned....
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