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Unread post12 May 2018, 00:27

Betcha an AETP or similar engine makes F35C a ~1000nm jet...unrefueled.
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Unread post12 May 2018, 18:13

steve2267 wrote:
wrightwing wrote:The adaptive engine upgrade on the F-35C could give it more range than the A-12 spec of 800nm. I guess the question is just how much range do they want (unrefueled/with tanker)? With JASSM-ER type weapons, that'd increase the reach another 1000+ km, giving a carrier the ability to hit targets 1500 to 2000nm away.


The only issue I see there is that with JASSM hanging under the wings, I'm not so sure the F-35C retains it's VLO signature. Out to that 800nm launch point (with an adaptive engine) the enema might see you coming. It's too bad the JASSM couldn't be shortened slightly to fit the F-35A/C internal bays.

The JASSM-ER is a very stealthy missile, so at 1000km, I'm not sure how much of an issue it'd be, in terms of signatures.
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Unread post12 May 2018, 19:24

quicksilver wrote:Betcha an AETP or similar engine makes F35C a ~1000nm jet...unrefueled.

That's certainly possible. The A has an unrefueled strike range of ~672nm, and the C is likely over 700nm. The improved engines are supposed to provide a 35% range increase. If the C currently exceeds 700nm by a sufficient margin, 1000nm might be achievable. >900nm is certainly nothing shabby, though. With tankers offloading >15k lbs at 500nm from the ship, that should get the strike radius well past 1000nm.
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Unread post14 May 2018, 04:12

JSOW-ER does appear to be making slow-but-steady progress.

And GAO's latest Weapons Systems Annual Assessment implies that
the new wing/chine being developed for JASSM-ER may be leveraged
for later LRASM missiles.

The bigger problem for the Navy is the how the AUR container
volume chews up space aboard ship: you can fit eight SDB I AUR containers in the same
volume that's occupied by one JSOW AUR container.
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Unread post14 May 2018, 14:04

Huge increase in F/A-18 SH orders, with even more $ for CFT's, etc.

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Unread post14 May 2018, 20:58

mixelflick wrote:Huge increase in F/A-18 SH orders, with even more $ for CFT's, etc.

"We're the US Navy: Investing in yesterday's aircraft and systems, today...".


The good news is with the priority DoD has allowed Navy and F-35 JPO to give the F-35C, they'll mainly have bright shiny new software Block 5 off the showroom floor. I mean, will they even need any as we keep adding F-18 Blockwhatevers year after year? Maybe Navy could just skip F-35 and go right to its replacement? PCA-C?
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Unread post17 May 2018, 14:36

chucky2 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Huge increase in F/A-18 SH orders, with even more $ for CFT's, etc.

"We're the US Navy: Investing in yesterday's aircraft and systems, today...".


The good news is with the priority DoD has allowed Navy and F-35 JPO to give the F-35C, they'll mainly have bright shiny new software Block 5 off the showroom floor. I mean, will they even need any as we keep adding F-18 Blockwhatevers year after year? Maybe Navy could just skip F-35 and go right to its replacement? PCA-C?


You know, you might have something there.

By the time they get the F-35C to the fleet, PCA-C will be well along in its developmental cycle. Boeing keeps telling the Navy the SH can do it all (with blockwhatever modifications), and the Navy keeps buying it. Literally.

At this rate, the Hornet/SH is going to outlive me and I'll be doomed to seeing it at airshows and on carrier decks until I expire. You really have to give Boeing credit. They've snowed the Navy into believing a lightweight fighter loser should be the backbone of carrier air wings.CFT's and an IRST is just the beginning. This thing will be a carrier COD or AWACS platform before its all over..
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Unread post17 May 2018, 21:21

You might be onto something there! Boeing = F-15, and F-15 has the CFT's that allow for carriage. All Boeing needs to do is bust out some carriage options for the F-18, and it could fill the rapid COD role. They could even set some new records for mail delivery (Marketing/Sales will love that), all while providing commonality with the existing F-18 fleet. No new training or maintenance requirements. Pop off the carriage option, right back into 4th+++ gen (any amount of + can be added as long as Navy keeps funding upgrades). Can F-35C deliver bulk mail? Pfft, 5th gen my @ss... Another 124 -18's, look, we don't even need new airframes anymore, we're good to go!
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Unread post18 May 2018, 13:52

"All Boeing needs to do is bust out some carriage options for the F-18, and it could fill the rapid COD role. They could even set some new records for mail delivery (Marketing/Sales will love that), all while providing commonality with the existing F-18 fleet."

Let's see a Flanker or J-20 do that! :mrgreen:
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Unread post18 May 2018, 18:16

May 18th, 2018: Boeing and the U.S. Navy have signed a $2 billion indefinite everything contract for F/A-18 E/F rapid attachment PonyExpressStronk delivery carriage tanks. These tanks will allow the warfighter to rapidly meet the time critical material delivery needs of the Navy until the <strikethrough>we had no idea F-35C was coming</strikethrough> PCA-C is delivered to replace the existing F/A-18 E/F and future F/A-18 E/F Block XVII +++++^2. In keeping with tradition, development is in the planning stages, the PonyExpressStronk tanks will be delivered after PCA-C is available for delivery.
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Unread post19 May 2018, 13:26

chucky2 wrote:May 18th, 2018: Boeing and the U.S. Navy have signed a $2 billion indefinite everything contract for F/A-18 E/F rapid attachment PonyExpressStronk delivery carriage tanks. These tanks will allow the warfighter to rapidly meet the time critical material delivery needs of the Navy until the <strikethrough>we had no idea F-35C was coming</strikethrough> PCA-C is delivered to replace the existing F/A-18 E/F and future F/A-18 E/F Block XVII +++++^2. In keeping with tradition, development is in the planning stages, the PonyExpressStronk tanks will be delivered after PCA-C is available for delivery.


OMG brilliant!

Someone should forward to Boeing and the USAF..... :mrgreen:
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Unread post06 Jun 2018, 21:03

House eyes major boost in F-35 jet purchases

The House Appropriations Committee released a draft version of its annual defense bill Wednesday that provides $9.4 billion for 93 of the high-tech Lockheed Martin aircraft, which is 16 more than the 77 requested by the military.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/house-eyes-major-boost-in-f-35-jet-purchases
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Unread post06 Jun 2018, 21:56

93 F-35s in one fiscal year is more than the 88 fighters Canada is said to be considering as a long term procurement! I wonder how this many F-35s fits into the February 2018 budget agreement?
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 21:59

President Trump Signs FY 2019 Defense Authorization Bill
13 Aug 2018 Ben Werner

"President Donald Trump signed the Fiscal Year 2019 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) clearing the path for a host of Navy and Marine Corps programs and policy initiatives to take effect. The FY 2019 NDAA sets the spending and policy priorities for the Department of Defense. A separate appropriations process will provide the money for the Pentagon’s now authorized $717 billion-worth of programs….

...The FY 2019 NDAA authorizes the following programs and policies:

• $2.3 billion to purchase 20 short takeoff and vertical landing F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters — the variant used by the Marine Corps.

• $1.1 billion to purchase nine F-35C fighters, the arrested landing variants used by the Navy.

• Authorizes multi-year contract authority for F/A-18 Super Hornets, EA-18G Growler aircraft and E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft.

• Production of several munition lines, including Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM), Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile Extended Range (JASSM-ER), the MK-48 torpedo, and the Harpoon missiles."

Source: https://news.usni.org/2018/08/13/35764
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 01:13

spazsinbad wrote:
President Trump Signs FY 2019 Defense Authorization Bill
13 Aug 2018 Ben Werner

"President Donald Trump signed the Fiscal Year 2019 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) clearing the path for a host of Navy and Marine Corps programs and policy initiatives to take effect. The FY 2019 NDAA sets the spending and policy priorities for the Department of Defense. A separate appropriations process will provide the money for the Pentagon’s now authorized $717 billion-worth of programs….

...The FY 2019 NDAA authorizes the following programs and policies:

• $2.3 billion to purchase 20 short takeoff and vertical landing F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters — the variant used by the Marine Corps.

• $1.1 billion to purchase nine F-35C fighters, the arrested landing variants used by the Navy.

• Authorizes multi-year contract authority for F/A-18 Super Hornets, EA-18G Growler aircraft and E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft.

• Production of several munition lines, including Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM), Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile Extended Range (JASSM-ER), the MK-48 torpedo, and the Harpoon missiles."

Source: https://news.usni.org/2018/08/13/35764


It's all funny money until the FY19 DoD Appropriations act is passed and that is still in the Senate. So final numbers are still to be determined.
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