Russia to develop VTOL fighter

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Unread post11 Aug 2018, 06:57

Meanwhile back in KUZNETSOV land: Kuznetsov Undergoes MiG-29K Refit 09 Aug 2018
"The Russian navy has embarked on a three-year project to modernize its sole aircraft carrier..."
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -29k-refit
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Unread post11 Aug 2018, 23:25

They are completely drunk this time.

Refit an obsolete craft to fly old-timers.

Probably with retired pilots to get full circle.
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Unread post12 Aug 2018, 18:21

mixelflick wrote: everything's proceeding according to plan...



Plans always work if you just change them constantly then pretend it's always been like that.
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Unread post12 Aug 2018, 19:40

At least now we know why they don't build stealth fighters. You can follow the carrier by its smoke plume from space.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 04:46

The refit for the Kuznetsov is actually very modest in nature.... :?
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 13:14

This VTOL fighter is really going to be something.

The rolling take off into a ski jump continues the decades long "mistake" with that setup: Substandard fuel and weapons load. Any VTOL engine is going to have a lift fan, so range will be compromised out of the gate to make room for said engine. Unless they can get 14,000lbs of gas in it, like the F-35B AND it's just as fuel efficient (doubtful).

On the one hand, it can't be any worse than the Forger - can it? On the other hand, if they had trouble building a land based stealth fighter, something with corrosion/other issues putting to sea is going to make it that much more difficult. It may just beat the hypersonic spaceplane/Mig-41 into the air though. The Mig-31 replacement is going to cost them a ridiculous amount of money. It'll make the SU-57 look cheap. So I think of the two, this VTOL will be first. I didn't say it'd make it to production, just first in the air (or the sea, if the Kustenov continues its abysmal record of launching/recovering fighters)...
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Unread post14 Aug 2018, 21:25

vilters wrote:At least now we know why they don't build stealth fighters. You can follow the carrier by its smoke plume from space.

You know it's sad when you can't tell the difference between a disaster and normal operations with that ship. The 1950s wants it carrier design back.


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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 08:26

Do crew get training on how to avoid black lung?
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 08:35

element1loop wrote:Do crew get training on how to avoid black lung?

Well, it serves to cover the stench from the non-working toilets :mrgreen:
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 10:34

popcorn wrote:
element1loop wrote:Do crew get training on how to avoid black lung?

Well, it serves to cover the stench from the non-working toilets :mrgreen:


Ahhh! ... that's why they call it a cruiser ... :mrgreen:
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