6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

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Unread post12 Aug 2018, 14:12

Dragon029 wrote:...


Thank you very good but again some questions :)

Surprising no ext AIM-120 for Bl 3F ! are you sure ?
PS : in this case and ofc fighters are not always used in stealth mode he have AAM weapon load of 6, US F-22 with adaptors on main HPs as F-18/F-18EF/F-22 have 10 - 14 -16 AAMs, F-15 have 8, F-16 have 6
Others 4 - 6 AAMs " Flankers " in general 8 possible 10
Su-57 can have 12, J-20 int 6 + 4 ext normaly : 10 so in 3F F-35 clearly inferior
AAMs number is important coz for various reasons only about 50 + % reach the target and also for combats with big formations, flights or more


At worst AIM-120 for ext HP possible for Block 4 ? Can we envisaged as for F-18/22/15SA F-35 get adaptors for 2 AIM-120 and have up to 16 ! AAMs in Block 5 eventualy Block 4 ?

Block 3i can host internaly 2 AIM-120 as Bl 2B or 4 missiles ?

And Block 2 A can have and if is no i think at less some pre series birds used for test have or customised software allowing weapons tests ? at less 5 - 6 years we see weapons test..

PS i know all under Blocks but yet many so i don't mention it...

And possible to have this file i think your chart is in a similar ?
Weapons Design Integration: download/file.php?id=27745 (PDF 2.6Mb)
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 04:34

forbin wrote:
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ricnunes wrote:Therefore giving the F-35 the capability to carry 6 AMRAAMs internally is not a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN or more precisely regarding the recent discussion here, a matter of WHERE.


I really hope that will happen bevor 2025. :)

Planned sure for Block 5 in 2024 and possible Block 4 for 2022
http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... 202017/Let’s-Do-More-Shots.aspx



Link doesn't work......... :?
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 05:38

Google found it:

http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... Shots.aspx

IMO, most accurate statement by Bogdan on the matter:
There’s a lot of engineering work to go with that,” Bogdan cautioned, and he did not speculate on when such a change could be made.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, add dollop of F-117 & gob of F-22, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well, then bake. Whaddya get? An F-35.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 05:55

steve2267 wrote:Google found it:

http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... Shots.aspx

IMO, most accurate statement by Bogdan on the matter:
There’s a lot of engineering work to go with that,” Bogdan cautioned, and he did not speculate on when such a change could be made.



Oh, I remember that story now....Regardless, thanks for the link! :D
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 10:05

Corsair1963 wrote:http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... 202017/Let’s-Do-More-Shots.aspx
Link doesn't work......... :?


2 days ago yes i check always before to post try again
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 10:08

Corsair1963 wrote:
forbin wrote:Link doesn't work......... :?


He do 2 days ago i check always before to post try again
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 11:32

The first link was broken as shown: http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... 202017/Let[broken]’s-Do-More-Shots.aspx

Somehow STEVIEgoogle fixed it with apostrophe being substituted with HTML code text string : %E2%80%99
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 16:20

Keep in mind that Block 4 will include UAI (no, I do not know which one) and after that, a lot of weapon integrations (JASSM, JDAM/SDB variants, LRASM, SOM-J, etc) will no longer be tied to a certain block. After UAI, a weapon will only need separation testing (just a few months) and will then be cleared for worldwide F-35 use.

In a similar vein, the AGM-154C for the F-35C only is due to it being a USNavy weapon. If a F-35A client expresses a desire for it, the JPO will do seperation tests and clear it for use.

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I was snooping around the budget docs and found in the SDB section that UAI will be in 4.1 and SDB2 IOC with the F-35 will come after that in 2022.

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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 20:12

spazsinbad wrote:The first link was broken as shown: http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... 202017/Let[broken]’s-Do-More-Shots.aspx

Somehow STEVIEgoogle fixed it with apostrophe being substituted with HTML code text string : %E2%80%99
http://www.airforcemag.com/DRArchive/Pa ... Shots.aspx


Google search string: "let's do more shots site:airforcemag.com"

Boom! First link listed...
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, add dollop of F-117 & gob of F-22, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well, then bake. Whaddya get? An F-35.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 20:25

SpudmanWP wrote:Keep in mind that Block 4 will include UAI (no, I do not know which one) and after that, a lot of weapon integrations (JASSM, JDAM/SDB variants, LRASM, SOM-J, etc) will no longer be tied to a certain block. After UAI, a weapon will only need separation testing (just a few months) and will then be cleared for worldwide F-35 use.


Wouldn't there be a lot of software work to integrate a weapon? Each weapon has a lot of distinct features in how it is optimally employed. The anti-shipping missiles you mention specifically might require quite a bit of software, as I doubt anti-shipping is a big feature in the current 3F software.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 20:52

Think if UAI as the "Print Manager (PM)" in windows. PM has a list of features that it will support but does not have a list of printers that it supports (ie integrated weapons). The UAI has an interface for a weapon to plug into much in the same way as the PM had a common interface for printers to connect to.

For UAI, here is a list of features that it supports at each step if the way and no, they have not released a similar list recently with more up to date features.

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Now, for a weapon to work with UAI, it must have a "driver" pack uploaded in the same way as a new printer will have a driver for the PM to interface with. The UAI "driver" can be uploaded at any time, it is not part of a block upgrade and does not change (or need to be tested with) any other part of the avionics package.

Much in the what the PM works in Windows, the avionics package talks to the UAI controller in a common format. The UIA controller will then pass the info to the weapon in a weapon-specific format according to the driver setup. I am sure there is a thread around here somewhere that goes into more detail on how it's done, but suffice it to say, UAI is far cheaper & quicker than traditional weapons integration. After a UAI weapon is created, the only plane-specific item that needs to be done is separation testing and driver tweaking.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 21:08

Is it safe to assume they could do separation testing prior to UAI being implemented on the F-35 for those weapons that will use that software package? If so they will have plenty of time to clear weapons for integration by 2022. I would have thought they would have pulled UAI ahead because of the advantages it gives you.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 21:13

You need to verify the separation under the control of the UAI. It only takes a couple of months, so no big deal.

They are adding UAI as soon as possible, Block 4.1. The UAI dev was a new project (ie did not exist) when JSF started and was not complete before Block 3F was locked down.

Here is a good read to get you caught up on UAI:
(Page21) http://www.dsp.dla.mil/Portals/26/Docum ... 1-DSPJ.pdf

Here is an example of what it took to use UAI for LJDAM on the F-15E. You can add the Turkish SOM-J, F-18E/F/G, B-52, B-1, and B-2 to the list of weapons & platforms getting UAI.

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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 21:19

FWIW the first two 'SWP' graphics above this page combined GIF. Click on graphic to ZOOM in.
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Unread post16 Aug 2018, 15:50

Dragon029 wrote:GBU-10, GBU-16 and GBU-24 were planned for external carriage, but there's no word on if they'll still be integrated or when.

CBU-99/100 and CBU-105 likely will not be integrated, as those bombs aren't manufactured any more.

How many SDBs to maximum ? internaly 8 but externaly 4 on each main HPs total 16 or 24 ?


Theoretically 24, but these are the only loadouts that are currently certified for operational use:

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Interesting and don't do mind but i have some doubts for some weapons especialy GBU-49 Block 3F can use for soon

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ei-448238/

Any source for file with the chart and what date please ?
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