What is the pedal turn that generates a constant 28deg/sec?

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Unread post21 Nov 2016, 04:13

steve2267 wrote:I could see where that 28°/sec comes from and really makes the F-35 dangerous close in. I wouldn't want to get slow and stay there, but if you've got the smash to get your speed back... yeah, they might be re-writing the book on knife fighting in a phone book.

Yes F-35 has the power to quickly recover airspeed. It could out-accelerate Su-27/35 with a significant margin in subsonic region. Check the data here:
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Unread post12 Jan 2019, 18:22

This is the most impressive pedal turn i have ever seen:
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fb ... 7895604049
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Unread post12 Jan 2019, 21:17

The magic of flight from same 'garrya' source as above: https://www.facebook.com/TXAFTERBURNER/ ... 755539210/
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Unread post13 Jan 2019, 03:19

garrya wrote:This is the most impressive pedal turn i have ever seen:
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fb ... 7895604049


Some of the video also shows pitch pointing, an attribute related to DFCS, which essentially makes an aircraft super maneuverable.
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Unread post13 Jan 2019, 07:05

Hopefully one day they record the demo from a camera plane.
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Unread post13 Jan 2019, 23:01

Better quality but same video as the one attached above but from THE DOJO account by all accounts - THE COUNT!
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 02:45

garrya wrote:This is the most impressive pedal turn i have ever seen:
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fb ... 7895604049


Reading those facebook comments made me lose a few IQ points.
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 15:17

I dunno what this says, but a cat we're babysitting watched the Luke pedal turn and went berserk pawing at it LOL. It's incredibly impressive, especially the way the F-35 does NOT turn into a falling leaf (like many of the Russian birds). The way it sticks it without losing altitude is impressive.

Would love to know how much fuel she's carrying, and whether or not this is possible with more than 60% internal fuel and a 5,000lbs weapons load?
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 15:30

Cats? Petal Turds? Full internal fuel/weapons no limits Cool For Cats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ2cEc_TCH8

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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 16:22

mixelflick wrote:I dunno what this says, but a cat we're babysitting watched the Luke pedal turn and went berserk pawing at it LOL. It's incredibly impressive, especially the way the F-35 does NOT turn into a falling leaf (like many of the Russian birds). The way it sticks it without losing altitude is impressive.

Would love to know how much fuel she's carrying, and whether or not this is possible with more than 60% internal fuel and a 5,000lbs weapons load?


I must be watching a different video.

That jet is coming out of the sky very rapidly; for a few seconds it happens to be falling faster than it is going forward, and the only apparent motion to the viewer is from the bottom of the vertical cylinder that the jet is coming down within. If it were not coming down (“...without losing altitude...”)it would have been hovering, which it was not.

Measure the apparent wingspan at the beginning vs where you start to see fwd motion again.
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 17:21

quicksilver wrote:
I must be watching a different video.

That jet is coming out of the sky very rapidly; for a few seconds it happens to be falling faster than it is going forward, and the only apparent motion to the viewer is from the bottom of the vertical cylinder that the jet is coming down within. If it were not coming down (“...without losing altitude...”)it would have been hovering, which it was not.

Measure the apparent wingspan at the beginning vs where you start to see fwd motion again.

I think my eye is deceiving me too, but for some strange reason the jet seem to maintain its altitude or falling very slowly between 0:27-0:29 in the video
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 17:35

It's perspective coupled with a lack of visual references.

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Remember the [in]famous "Flanker tumble" from 2017? Everyone crapped their pants over what looked like the aircraft tumbling around in place, but that was because the path of travel was directly into the camera. When viewed from a different perspective it was much less impressive looking.
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 17:55

garrya wrote:
quicksilver wrote:
I must be watching a different video.

That jet is coming out of the sky very rapidly; for a few seconds it happens to be falling faster than it is going forward, and the only apparent motion to the viewer is from the bottom of the vertical cylinder that the jet is coming down within. If it were not coming down (“...without losing altitude...”)it would have been hovering, which it was not.

Measure the apparent wingspan at the beginning vs where you start to see fwd motion again.

I think my eye is deceiving me too, but for some strange reason the jet seem to maintain its altitude or falling very slowly between 0:27-0:29 in the video

The velocity Vector is pointing at the camera then
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Unread post14 Jan 2019, 18:09

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
garrya wrote:
quicksilver wrote:
I must be watching a different video.

That jet is coming out of the sky very rapidly; for a few seconds it happens to be falling faster than it is going forward, and the only apparent motion to the viewer is from the bottom of the vertical cylinder that the jet is coming down within. If it were not coming down (“...without losing altitude...”)it would have been hovering, which it was not.

Measure the apparent wingspan at the beginning vs where you start to see fwd motion again.

I think my eye is deceiving me too, but for some strange reason the jet seem to maintain its altitude or falling very slowly between 0:27-0:29 in the video

The velocity Vector is pointing at the camera then


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