Can a B-52 fire a Harpoon and/or Tomahawk anti-ship missile?

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Unread post27 Dec 2005, 00:33

Is the B-52 Fleet equipped to fire the Harpoon and/or Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile?
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Unread post27 Dec 2005, 14:57

Don't think Tomahawk was ever integrated but back in the mid 80's TPTB tried to mod the BUFF for anti-shipping ops. A small number of H's were modded to carry Harpoon externally and coordinate with USN patrol assets for any strike. Here's a link with some details but I can't vouch for the veracity of the info.
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Unread post28 Dec 2005, 01:16

No Tomahawks on the BUFF. That is a Navy cruise missile. The BUFF does, however, carry the AGM-86 ALCM.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/modern_flight/mf53a.htm

Here's an excellent article on the Tomahawk, along with some good pics:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!
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Unread post28 Dec 2005, 01:46

Well, I B-52 equipped with a dozen Harpoons. Would offer a big deterent to China. If, she ever tried to launch a invasion of Taiwan! :shock:
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Unread post29 Dec 2005, 07:07

I'm pretty sure that some BUFF's were carrying Harpoons back in the 1989ish time frame. I think that's a case of "been there, done that", and that it is not done anymore.
Again, if I remember right, it was only a few BUFF units, not the whole fleet.
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Unread post29 Dec 2005, 14:27

To go along with what TC said about the B-52's ability to use the AGM-86, I would also like to add that the B-52 is the only aircraft today capable of using the AGM-129 ACM (Especially with the W80 nuclear warhead :shock: ).

Strangely enough, the Advanced Cruise Missile was originally designed for usage on more stealthy aircraft like the B-1B and the B-2. But I've heard that we signed a treaty that forbids us from arming stealthy weapons on stealthy aircraft.
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Unread post29 Dec 2005, 17:56

Really? Do you know which treaty? Officially the ACM was developed when the Rooskie SAM systems started being able to detect and engage AGM-86 sized targets in the mid-80's.
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Unread post29 Dec 2005, 18:13

Yes, that treaty was known as the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) II. The treaty was between the U.S. and the Russian Federation. It was signed by President George Bush (senior) and the Russian President Boris Yeltsin on January 1993, during a summit held in Moscow.

For more AGM-129 info: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/AGM-129_Advanced_Cruise_Missile

For more info on the START II Treaty:http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/start2text.htm
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Unread post30 Dec 2005, 02:24

Hopefully, the B-52 can still carry the Harpoon? Because in a crisis with China over Taiwan. A B-52 equipped with a Anti-Ship Missile could have quite the impact............... :twisted:
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Unread post30 Dec 2005, 13:57

Corsair1963 wrote:Hopefully, the B-52 can still carry the Harpoon?


Yep, since 1997, all B-52H airframes are now Harpoon capable, providing both the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot AFB, N.D., and the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale, full squadron strength capability.
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Unread post31 Dec 2005, 04:11

agilefalcon16 wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:Hopefully, the B-52 can still carry the Harpoon?


Yep, since 1997, all B-52H airframes are now Harpoon capable, providing both the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot AFB, N.D., and the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale, full squadron strength capability.


Combined with SSGN's, CBG's, Stealth Fighters-Bombers and UAV's. China would be wise to reconsider any Attack on Taiwan..... :shock:
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Unread post05 Jan 2006, 22:27

Many many years ago.... the G in it's day had some Harpoon ability too before it went out. Mainiacs ( for sure ) and ( Guam ? ) and the ( then 49Test ( SAC weapons test )) being at Barksdale can't remember if any Gs flew Harp tests out of there. Don't think so ( but could be wrong going from memory ). And I think then the USN "owned" the weps? and certainly don't know how many were ready to go on a moments notice or how long it would take even to get a then Salty Nation Exercise up and running etc etc.

Don't know if the common package ever got totally funded for the H ?????????? Up till not too long ago for sure... weaps on the H model was always a hodge-podge by airframe..... This jet can carry Harps but not this one...this one can carry Have Nap but not this.... this one can carry this but not that..... etc.... So.... don't know the full status on if the commonality on Hs ever got sorted out to where for something as specialized as Harpoon... you have to go find the jet that might be in the phase dock or worse...the depot. :lol:

Maybe a current buff person can update us if they don't have to shoot us afterwards. agilefalcon16, you can confirm they got the weapons cominality by airframe all sorted out on Harpoon?... and not just certain airframes?

H is so nice because you can deploy the thing easy. ( not like some blond with an attitude ( B1 ... B2 ) :lol: ) .... so there just always seems to be a lot of new creative stuff with weapons, that keep getting added to the airframe. Recently Laser Designation Pods and any number of things we probably don't know about. That means ( again with funding for war winning stuff like the B-52 upgrades, that funds are tight because of Iraq and all our sexy weapons buys. All these new upgrades have to be done on even more of a shoe string. Which I would bet good money that while they may get the Harp ability all sorted out to their satisfaction.... there are always more cool things to put on the aircraft making it a never ending process, so there are again some airframes that can do this... and that can do that... but not the whole fleet as invisioned before 911 came along. Next I suppose there will be phaser banks on the bird to go on GWOT bug hunts. :lol:
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Unread post06 Jan 2006, 21:49

elp wrote: Don't know if the common package ever got totally funded for the H ??????????

agilefalcon16, you can confirm they got the weapons cominality by airframe all sorted out on Harpoon?... and not just certain airframes?


Yes, or at least I believe I can (the site seems accurate and believable). Here's the exact link were I got my info: (*Note: The site was last updated on December 01, 2005)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-84.htm

Here's the exact paragraph (located about mid-way through the site, if anyone wishes to search for it):

After Loring AFB closed and the retirement of the last B-52G at Castle AFB, Calif., the Harpoon mission was moved to the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale AFB, La. Four B-52H models were rapidly modified (as an interim measure) to accept Harpoon launch control equipment pending B-52H fleet modification. By 1997, all B-52H airframes were Harpoon capable, providing both the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot AFB, N.D., and the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale, full squadron strength capability.


Yes, I realize that the last sentence of the above paragraph looks nearly identical to what I wrote on my previous post, but that was the whole point.
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Unread post06 Jan 2006, 23:22

both the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot AFB, N.D., and


Hehe, to keep the Great Lakes shipping lanes clear, or just to protect against out of season fishing? :D
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Unread post11 Mar 2006, 02:49

Back when i was in the navy in the late 90's, during RIMPAC there was always a couple of b-52's flying around. The P-3's would coordinate with them for over the horzion Anti-ship strikes. Plus the fact the the b-52 could fly alot higher then our P-3's helped to paint a radar picture of huge area of open sea, not to mention the fact that it could carry twice as many harpoons as we could.
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