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Unread post14 Dec 2018, 22:02

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/d ... f-35-jets/

Nato has said all its member states should come up with a ‘believable plan’ outlining how they will meet the agreed threshhold of spending 2% of GDP on defence by 2024. Most European countries are far below the threshold – the Netherlands, for example, spends just 1.35% of GDP on defence, the AD said. Defence minister Ank Bijleveld said in an official statement that the plan shows that the cabinet takes the current threats seriously. ‘The cabinet is committed to invest in defence,’ she said. ‘The Netherlands must take steps to remain a trustworthy ally.’ The minister told the AD that it is still unclear how much extra money will be allocated to defence.

Nor would she comment on how many extra JSFs – or F-35s as they are officially called – would be bought. ‘We will soon have two squadrons and Nato is asking for a third. That is 15 planes,’ she said. The Netherlands is currently committed to buying 37 of the fighter jets.. Broadcaster NOS said the government has five priorities to boost the armed forces. As well as buying more JSFs and tanks, ministers want to strengthen the elite special forces units, and boost cyber and information technology capacity.
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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 20:09

Dutch F-16s return from Middle East as F-35 ambitions grow
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"...Defence minister Ank Bijleveld on 14 December 2018 announced the Netherlands' intention to purchase another squadron of F-35s, in a measure that will be enabled by additional funding leading to the nation meeting a NATO spending target of 2% of GDP on defence.

According to this plan, the Netherlands will acquire 15 additional F-35s for around €1.2 billion ($1.1 billion), boosting an existing commitment to take 37 conventional take-off and landing examples.

Two Dutch F-35As are already involved in operational test and evaluation work performed at Edwards AFB, California, while six more will be stationed at Luke AFB in Arizona to support the training of pilots from the Netherlands and Denmark.

Aircraft to be assigned to a first operational squadron at Leeuwarden will arrive in the Netherlands this year, with a second unit to be formed at Volkel air base. The location for the nation's third frontline squadron has yet to be decided."

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-454852/
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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 20:26

That price... A follow up order COULD be as low as just the cost of aircraft delivered.
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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 20:55

I'm also impressed with the price as well! That's USD $73 Million per unit/aircraft. :D
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 21:01

The word 'around' was used in regard to the price so it is 'around whatever $ amount' I would say.
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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 21:05

I'd say within 10% given that 1.2 was used. not 1, not 1.5. Seems to me that means it is closer to 1.2 than 1.1 or 1.3.
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Unread post10 Jan 2019, 00:19

ricnunes wrote:I'm also impressed with the price as well! That's USD $73 Million per unit/aircraft. :D


That is because whoever did the conversion from Euros to Dollars in the origonal article needs to do some remedial math.

Current conversion is 1.16 dollars per euro. So E1.2B becomes $1.32B, not $1.1B. So $92.8m per aircraft. No way to know what is included in said sum, but still relatively inexpensive.
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Unread post10 Jan 2019, 03:08

It would seem some journalist has rather poor typing skills, and an editor that does not know how to proofread....

It makes MUCH more sense if the quote read:

According to this plan, the Netherlands will acquire 15 additional F-35s for around $1.2 billion (€1.1 billion), boosting an existing commitment to take 37 conventional take-off and landing examples.


$1.2B works out to $80M each for 15 units, which is what the target 2020 price has been for a while.
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Unread post10 Jan 2019, 19:49

steve2267 wrote:It would seem some journalist has rather poor typing skills, and an editor that does not know how to proofread....

It makes MUCH more sense if the quote read:

According to this plan, the Netherlands will acquire 15 additional F-35s for around $1.2 billion (€1.1 billion), boosting an existing commitment to take 37 conventional take-off and landing examples.


$1.2B works out to $80M each for 15 units, which is what the target 2020 price has been for a while.


While the math works that way as well, since it is a Dutch budgetary plan, I would bet on the costs being quoted in Euros and someone using an exchange rate of 1.16 euros per dollar instead on 1.16 dollars per euro.
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Unread post10 Jan 2019, 20:03

usnvo wrote:
ricnunes wrote:I'm also impressed with the price as well! That's USD $73 Million per unit/aircraft. :D


That is because whoever did the conversion from Euros to Dollars in the origonal article needs to do some remedial math.

Current conversion is 1.16 dollars per euro. So E1.2B becomes $1.32B, not $1.1B. So $92.8m per aircraft. No way to know what is included in said sum, but still relatively inexpensive.


Yes you're right usnvo, thanks for the reply!

Well this definitely teaches me to always double check every and any journalist.
But, I would expect that any "journalist" worth of its name would at least know the following site (or another one similar):
https://www.xe.com

Apparently I set my expectations (about journalists) "a bit" too high :roll:
And using the site above and at today's exchange €1.2 Billion would be USD $1.38 Billion and this divided by 15 would be USD $92 Million per aircraft indeed.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post12 Jan 2019, 00:19

The amount in the Dutch press is 1.2 billion in euro. The press simply took 80 million euro per plane and multiplied that by 15.
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