What will be the USNs primary F-35 naval strike weapon?

F-35 Armament, fuel tanks, internal and external hardpoints, loadouts, and other stores.
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Unread post24 Jul 2016, 04:02

True. Most here know about the JASSM-ER on which the LRASM is based. The Navy has neither the JASSM nor the JASSM-ER in its inventory though.
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Unread post24 Jul 2016, 17:39

SpudmanWP wrote:To get anywhere near (but not quite to) the range of an C, the SH has to hang bags on the wings which limits it to 2xLRASM. The C does not have to remove any fuel to mount 4x LRASM and would still have the 2x MALD-J internal.

Even with 4xLRASM external, the C would still have a smaller RCS than a clean SH. The C would also have the APG-81 EW functions to boot.

SuperHornet Combat Radius - 390nm:
Interdiction with four 1,000 lb bombs, two Sidewinders, and two 1,818 liter (480 U.S. gallon: 400 Imp gallon) external tanks, navigation FLIR and targeting FLIR: Forward Looking Infra-Red hi-lo-lo-hi

http://web.archive.org/web/201110261821 ... r/f18.html

So what the C can do at 500+nm (2x external large weapons), the SH does at 390nm. If the SH ditches the tanks for 4xLRASM (if it can even do that), it's range would likely drop to the sub 300 range while the C can do 4xLRASM without losing fuel and only having to suffer a little drag.


As an addition to that thought experiment, what happens if we give the SH the CFTs Boeing has tested? It doesn't negate the C's advantage completely, but it certainly evens things up a bit. Those CFTs will get the drag index down quite a bit over normal gasbags.
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Unread post24 Jul 2016, 18:50

What about the Kongsberg JSM? It obviously wont have the range or punch of the JASSM or LRSM but the fact that it can be carried internally means the F-35 could get in closer to the threat in contested airspace and still provide (more than enough) sufficient stand off ranges for the F-35. IMO I think having the JSM and a longer range weapon would offer a valuable "one, two" punch for the USN and for the F-35 in general.
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Unread post24 Jul 2016, 19:16

southernphantom wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:To get anywhere near (but not quite to) the range of an C, the SH has to hang bags on the wings which limits it to 2xLRASM. The C does not have to remove any fuel to mount 4x LRASM and would still have the 2x MALD-J internal.

Even with 4xLRASM external, the C would still have a smaller RCS than a clean SH. The C would also have the APG-81 EW functions to boot.

SuperHornet Combat Radius - 390nm:
Interdiction with four 1,000 lb bombs, two Sidewinders, and two 1,818 liter (480 U.S. gallon: 400 Imp gallon) external tanks, navigation FLIR and targeting FLIR: Forward Looking Infra-Red hi-lo-lo-hi

http://web.archive.org/web/201110261821 ... r/f18.html

So what the C can do at 500+nm (2x external large weapons), the SH does at 390nm. If the SH ditches the tanks for 4xLRASM (if it can even do that), it's range would likely drop to the sub 300 range while the C can do 4xLRASM without losing fuel and only having to suffer a little drag.


As an addition to that thought experiment, what happens if we give the SH the CFTs Boeing has tested? It doesn't negate the C's advantage completely, but it certainly evens things up a bit. Those CFTs will get the drag index down quite a bit over normal gasbags.


Well Boeing only claims a range boost of 120 n. miles for the conformal tanks in combat air patrol configuration. So, with A2A armament and no tanks the SH is just getting to the range of the F-35C with two LRASM's. With a similar load out I'd expect less range. Given the F-35 can to 760+ miles miles in A2A configuration.
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Unread post24 Jul 2016, 22:33

charlielima223 wrote:What about the Kongsberg JSM? It obviously wont have the range or punch of the JASSM or LRSM but the fact that it can be carried internally means the F-35 could get in closer to the threat in contested airspace and still provide (more than enough) sufficient stand off ranges for the F-35. IMO I think having the JSM and a longer range weapon would offer a valuable "one, two" punch for the USN and for the F-35 in general.


The JSM is a great weapon and more so because its integrated with he F-35 internal bays. Furthermore, the Australia interest in putting a passive RF seeker in there will make it even better if that path is jointly pursued. However, there is the AGM-X requirement for the future within the US programs so there is stuff out there planned for future medium to long range strike.
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Unread post25 Jul 2016, 10:23

charlielima223 wrote:What about the Kongsberg JSM? It obviously wont have the range or punch of the JASSM or LRSM but the fact that it can be carried internally means the F-35 could get in closer to the threat in contested airspace and still provide (more than enough) sufficient stand off ranges for the F-35. IMO I think having the JSM and a longer range weapon would offer a valuable "one, two" punch for the USN and for the F-35 in general.



I sure wouldn't want to be an opposing Warship against the F-35/JSM combo! :shock:
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Unread post25 Jul 2016, 14:15

A war ship will have no chance.
But a Bright Red-While Coca-Cola fishing boat has no problems to get where it wants to be.
After all, it is only paint.

You all seem to forget that we are the only ones left to fight by "ROE's".
Terrorist groups have no ROE's.

When I see a tank coming my way? I know what is coming.
When I see a beertruck coming?
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Unread post03 Aug 2016, 22:29

vilters wrote:A war ship will have no chance.
But a Bright Red-While Coca-Cola fishing boat has no problems to get where it wants to be.
After all, it is only paint.

You all seem to forget that we are the only ones left to fight by "ROE's".
Terrorist groups have no ROE's.

When I see a tank coming my way? I know what is coming.
When I see a beertruck coming?
It is time to act because: "That is the guy to be scared off".



Coca cola fishing boat?

You do realize how ROEs work right?
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Unread post21 Sep 2016, 11:43

http://www.defencetalk.com/us-navy-laun ... ise-68202/

US Navy Launches JSOW C-1 During Valiant Shield exercise

Sailors from Carrier Air Wing Five (CVW-5) fired the newest Joint Standoff Weapon, JSOW C-1, Sept. 13 during Valiant Shield exercise conducted in the Western Pacific...

“JSOW brings a host of capabilities together in one family of weapons,” said Kristin Brush, lead mission planning and aviation electronics technician instructor for the JSOW training team. “Not only is JSOW C an extremely capable weapon against an array of land targets with its two-stage warhead, but now the C1 variant can be employed as an anti-surface warfare weapon against moving maritime targets.”

The weapon is integrated with a Link 16 network radio, enabling it to engage moving targets at sea. The radio allows the launch aircraft or another designated controller to provide real-time target updates to the weapon in flight or reassign the weapon to another target. It also uses GPS/INS and an infrared seeker for terminal guidance.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post26 Jul 2017, 04:34

Longer legs for the JASSM-ER in the offing.


http://scout.com/military/warrior/Artic ... -105338941

However, the Air Force recently awarded Lockheed a new contract to further increase the weapon’s range in the face of growing threats—particularly in Eastern Europe and the Western Pacific. According to the company, it received an “Undefinitized Contracting Action” for $37.7 million from the U.S. Air Force for continued development of a new wing design for the JASSM-ER. In fact, the company started analysis work on the upgraded wing design last year in March.

"We've developed a novel design that provides additional standoff range to further increase pilot survivability in an Anti-Access-Area Denial threat environment," Jason Denney, program director for Long Range Strike Systems at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control, said in a statement. [7]

"Our customers trust our already proven design and we look forward to enhancing its capabilities for warfighters."

If everything goes as planned, Lockheed will cut the new wing into the JASSM-ER production line in Lot 17.

However, the company did not disclose any other details such as how far the new wing might extend the range of the 2,000-pound cruise missile. It’s unclear how much extra performance Lockheed can squeeze out of the JASSM missile body, however, the weapon has proven to be remarkably adaptable.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post14 Sep 2018, 07:07

May be somebody will be interest in this. 3D models of the AGM-158A/B and AGM-158C
Full set is here - https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dAvGX

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Unread post14 Sep 2018, 07:51

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Unread post14 Sep 2018, 11:57

Great depictions, I'm also believing they will be painting their new stealthy cruise missile a highly reflective shiny black coating that would glint off the sun from 20 miles away.
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Unread post15 Sep 2018, 11:30

squirrelshoes wrote:Great depictions, I'm also believing they will be painting their new stealthy cruise missile a highly reflective shiny black coating that would glint off the sun from 20 miles away.


The black color is just for testing period :) Dull gray color is common for AGM-158 series. And there is no RAM coating as far as I know. By the way, somebody know when AGM-158C will be testing on F-35C?
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