F-15E vs F-15C

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Unread post07 Jul 2005, 06:31

Which aircraft will typically win in a dogfight? I know that the F-15E is heavier because of the comformal fuel tanks, but assuming it was not carrying 80,000 lbs of bombs, which one typically wins? I know that the F-15E actually has more thrust than the C version.
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Unread post07 Jul 2005, 06:37

Well, since F-15C squadrons train 100% air-to-air sorties and Strike Eagle squadrons train usually 60% air-to-ground/40% air-to-air....I would say that the F-15C would kick some serious tail. :wink:


Of course, the F-16 would beat both of 'em! :crazypilot:
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Unread post07 Jul 2005, 22:26

I'd still say F-15C. The F-15C doesn't have the added structural weight (added weight not from conformal tanks/bombs/etc, but from the more robust structure compared to the F-15C). The added weight will cause wing loading to rise somewhat, putting the F-15E at a slight disadvantage. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Unread post18 Aug 2005, 21:57

I also think F-15C - because of the fact that F-15C pilots are better-skilled in A2A fights as Shaba said.
Technical both of them are comparable - it depends much on pilots' skills.
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Unread post19 Aug 2005, 01:07

The beagle does have a little more power to burn- but it also has more weight, even empty, thanks to the CFT's, structural differences (although they're minor), things like that. Assuming two pilots of equal skill, and an empty E model vs. a CAP loaded C model, going guns only, I think the C model would eventually come out ahead- but it'd take alot of work to do it!
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Unread post19 Aug 2005, 18:33

F-15C would win easy.. its 10,000 lighter!!! and was built for that!!
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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 04:23

...plus the C doesnt have the extra wieght of a nerdy punk in the back seat
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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 05:27

The 15 should win.
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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 07:03

Which aircraft will typically win in a dogfight? I know that the F-15E is heavier because of the comformal fuel tanks, but assuming it was not carrying 80,000 lbs of bombs, which one typically wins? I know that the F-15E actually has more thrust than the C version.
FutureFlyer06, the F 15 E, while a great plane 9the best in its class, IMO) cannot carry 80,000 lbs of bombs! 80,000 is its max. tke off wight. it can carry "only" 24,000 lbs, but even with this load, it still #1, by a generous margin.
F-15C would win easy.. its 10,000 lighter!!! and was built for that!!
the difference in empty weight is far less: C is 12,500 kg, and E without CF is 14,000 with CF is ~ 16,000 kg. if the E has the P&W 229 (>13,000 kgf) the E will win; however, not all the Es have the 229, there are some with the 220.

Also, at equal pilot skill, the E has one big advantage: DFC (digital flight control). While not a full FBW it is one step better than what C has; it is still the hydro-mechanical system, but controlled by a digital computer (made by BAE Systems). This allows an E pilot to fly more agressively than a C pilot.
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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 15:47

Also note that the CFT's restrict the AOA of the Mud hen so it can't pull as hard as the light grays.
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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 17:46

Roscoe, is that so that an E model wont tear off the rails and bombs that it normally caries on it over the C? What is the G limit on an E? 7G?

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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 19:41

the C models have a CAS Control augmentation system, that give it very good flight control inputs, as good as the E... The E needed the new system due to the different configurations it flys in.. It was not to make it more Manuaverable but safer for the pilot to keep him or her form OVER G ing it, or worst... It allows the pilot to fly the aircraft as best as IT can givven the current Configuration.
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Unread post25 Aug 2005, 23:41

TenguNoHi wrote:Roscoe, is that so that an E model wont tear off the rails and bombs that it normally caries on it over the C? What is the G limit on an E? 7G?

-Aaron


I think the g-limit is the same, so at high speeds (low AOA) it can pull just as hard. No, the problem is the CFTs changed the airflow characteristics around the plane and at high alpha the bird can depart. So no low speed turning for this guy...
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