Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

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Unread post14 Feb 2019, 04:54

Parts/LRUs are repaired at "hubs" (aka depots) so that part/LRU replacement is done locally.

A customer can decide to run their own depots (like Israel), but costs will obviously go up if they use that option.
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Unread post14 Feb 2019, 05:08

That must be the "most part" as in
for the most part meet Finnish minimum requirements in life cycle costs
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Unread post14 Feb 2019, 16:26

Yeah, that's just their quick assessment based on negotiations preceding the RFQ due date. That will be clarified once they start studying them.

Performance Based Logistics 5 year deals instead of annual deals is the change that they made to the subcontractors.

Apart from DAS, also the ICP seems to receive an update starting from Lot 15 (2023 deliveries). Similar big improvements.
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Unread post14 Feb 2019, 17:14

Component repair contract recently awarded to various companies and countries in Europe.

http://aviationweek.com/defense/second-round-f-35-maintenance-work-contracted

LONDON—Industry in Denmark, Israel, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, and the UK have secured component repair work for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.


The contracts are part of the F-35’s Global Support Solution. The JPO says that participating nations have been provided with requirements outlining repair needs for F-35 component workload. Each country was then given the opportunity to work with industry to submit responses. Regional considerations such as forward basing, aircraft phasing, and transportation have contributed to assignment decisions.

Work assignments will be reviewed and updated as required by the program, the JPO says.

Under current plans, the assignments awarded in Europe will support the worldwide fleet. But as F-35 operations in the Asia-Pacific region pick up pace in the mid-2020s, component repair support services will also be established in that region. So far, the JPO has issued assignments to industry in Australia, Japan and South Korea.

Work assignments for the maintenance, repair and overhaul work on some 400 repairable items including avionics, life support systems, landing gear, pumps and power systems for the aircraft was issued by the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) on Feb. 12. Under current plans, the F-35 enterprise is awarding contracts for more than 770 repairable items on the aircraft.

The first batch of 65 of these contracts was issued in late 2016 for so-called high-value electrical components, fuel, mechanical and hydraulic systems, and ejection seats.


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Unread post14 Feb 2019, 17:31

lamoey wrote:Not sure if there is a paywall, so let me know and I'll paste in relevant content.

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Unread post18 Feb 2019, 19:49

U.S. Government Approves Release of Boeing EA-18G Growler to Finland
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-02-18 ... to-Finland

Somewhat of note: "Previously only Australia had been authorized to purchase the airborne electronic attack (AEA) aircraft."

Boeing also officially confirmed today that they've offered SH and Growlers. Quantity unknown.

Here's the flight demo part from last year's flight show in Finland. Growler was flown with external tanks and wing tip pods. They didn't have a permission to bring ALQ-99s (under the wing EW pods). The planes were on loan from USN NAS Whidbey Island. The year before Boeing brought two SH's with mockup-conformals on top of the wings. No idea whether the Growlers would receive conformals in this scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K34EwvDWB2o
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Unread post19 Feb 2019, 00:50

Honestly, I would be shocked. If, Finland didn't acquire the F-35. On the other hand I wouldn't be at all surprised. If, Switzerland went for the Gripen E.
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Unread post19 Feb 2019, 20:55

Corsair1963 wrote:Honestly, I would be shocked. If, Finland didn't acquire the F-35. On the other hand I wouldn't be at all surprised. If, Switzerland went for the Gripen E.


Didn't Switzerland select the Gripen E because it was the cheapest of all 3 options (Gripen E, Rafale and Typhoon)?
On top of that they would get to co-develop the Gripen E with Sweden.
I would say that these 2 points are "paramount" for such a decision.

Anyway, this shouldn't be much of an issue for Finland since the F-35 should be among the cheapest options within its fighter contest.
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Unread post20 Feb 2019, 01:34

ricnunes wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:Honestly, I would be shocked. If, Finland didn't acquire the F-35. On the other hand I wouldn't be at all surprised. If, Switzerland went for the Gripen E.


Didn't Switzerland select the Gripen E because it was the cheapest of all 3 options (Gripen E, Rafale and Typhoon)?
On top of that they would get to co-develop the Gripen E with Sweden.
I would say that these 2 points are "paramount" for such a decision.

Anyway, this shouldn't be much of an issue for Finland since the F-35 should be among the cheapest options within its fighter contest.



Finland needs the vast capabilities of the F-35 to deter Russia. While, Switzerland needs a good deal to sell it to their public. Which, overruled the last fighter deal...
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Unread post20 Feb 2019, 13:20

I know it's dirtied up, but that demo looked positively lethargic. Especially given what we've seen from recent F-35 demos. If it's true the F-35's internal E/W suite is all that (and I don't doubt it), the jump in capability is going to be massive. The Finn's would be nuts NOT to buy the F-35.

But politics makes for strange bedfellows...
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Unread post20 Feb 2019, 17:02

But politics makes for strange bedfellows...

Just ask the Canadians :doh:
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