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Unread post01 Aug 2018, 21:28

Combat coded just means the plane could, at any time, abort the demo, land, re-fuel and arm, go to war. There are no systems removed to improve performance, no special airshow paint, nothing of the sort.
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Unread post01 Aug 2018, 21:50

f-16adf wrote:Maybe the AF wants to keep everyone in the dark concerning this.

Doubt it will be a secret. Once the F-35 complete IOT&E and is allowed to do airshow demonstrations in the US, they’ll develop a demonstration program with recommended fuel load and be added to regulations manual. Afterall, the F-22 is in there.

On an aside, always found it interesting that USAF limits demonstrations to 7.5g with momentary over g for safety (well at least as of recently). Likely for airframe life. So much for YouTubers “9g turn” comparisons.
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Unread post01 Aug 2018, 22:06

fbw wrote:
f-16adf wrote:On an aside, always found it interesting that USAF limits demonstrations to 7.5g with momentary over g for safety (well at least as of recently). Likely for airframe life. So much for YouTubers “9g turn” comparisons.

That caught my eye as well. Had the same thought on the YouTube comparisons.
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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 01:10

fbw wrote:
f-16adf wrote:Maybe the AF wants to keep everyone in the dark concerning this.

Doubt it will be a secret. Once the F-35 complete IOT&E and is allowed to do airshow demonstrations in the US, they’ll develop a demonstration program with recommended fuel load and be added to regulations manual. Afterall, the F-22 is in there.

On an aside, always found it interesting that USAF limits demonstrations to 7.5g with momentary over g for safety (well at least as of recently). Likely for airframe life. So much for YouTubers “9g turn” comparisons.


^ This
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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 15:13

Speaking to an F-35 pilot at an airshow a few weeks back.... said it really has great legs. Much better than the F-15 he came from. Then said something about the F-22 like, "yeah in 20 minutes they're at their limit and have to return to base". Obviously, a lot depends on that scenario but my first thought was, "yeah, but 20 minutes is going to seem like forever to an adversary pilot. The F-22 can do a whole lotta' killing in 20 minutes".

He said, "true"... :)
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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 16:20

:devil: UHoh!? (Teletubby exclamation) WATTLE THEY FINK OFF NXT? THERE WILL BE NO SCAPING Except the FUEL FOOL! :shock:

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Unread post12 Aug 2018, 13:22

fbw wrote:
f-16adf wrote:Maybe the AF wants to keep everyone in the dark concerning this.

Doubt it will be a secret. Once the F-35 complete IOT&E and is allowed to do airshow demonstrations in the US, they’ll develop a demonstration program with recommended fuel load and be added to regulations manual. Afterall, the F-22 is in there.

On an aside, always found it interesting that USAF limits demonstrations to 7.5g with momentary over g for safety (well at least as of recently). Likely for airframe life. So much for YouTubers “9g turn” comparisons.


Afaik it is a FAA regulation no?
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Unread post18 Aug 2018, 13:23

F-35 can turn, can climb and can run pretty well:
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Unread post22 Aug 2018, 06:03

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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 01:32

Another thing I have noticed with the F-35A displays, but have been too lazy to post it, is that the pilots seem to go into mid-burner, almost to allow their gear to retract, before re-selecting max power. This may hint at the fact that they are flying with less than full fuel.
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 01:42

:devil: Jeepers that Major ate a lot of stringy string beans. How tall is he and how does he fit in the F-35A? :mrgreen:

I don't follow the comment immediately above. I recall the first test pilot to fly the F-35A AA-1 commenting that he had to REALLY PULL THE NOSE UP after takeoff to avoid overspeeding the undercarriage as he took off in full burner on first flight.

So I'll guess (if observation above correct) that pilots have less than full burner to avoid strangling the gear. Also they don't want to damage the only aircraft available most likely for subsequent shows. Now that makes sense to me. CARE Good.

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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 01:46

spazsinbad wrote::devil: Jeepers that Major ate a lot of stringy string beans. How tall is he and how does he fit in the F-35A? :mrgreen:

Or... the interviewer is a Hobbit :mrgreen:
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 02:59

jetblast16 wrote:Another thing I have noticed with the F-35A displays, but have been too lazy to post it, is that the pilots seem to go into mid-burner, almost to allow their gear to retract, before re-selecting max power. This may hint at the fact that they are flying with less than full fuel.

Maybe, but for normal combat training sorties (where you're launching will full fuel) the jet is supposedly capable of reach 300 knots under mil power, with a 5 degree climb, before it reaches the end of the runway. Most landing gears (and IIRC the F-35 is no exception) are only rated to 250 knots, so they'd have to be careful and do what you describe to prevent overspeed conditions.

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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 03:23

"Most landing gears (and IIRC the F-35 is no exception) are only rated to 250 knots, so they'd have to be careful and do what you describe to prevent overspeed conditions."

F-16 max landing gear speeds are 300 KIAS and .65 Mach, whichever is less.
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