F-22 set to get Scorpion HMCS

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Unread post18 Mar 2013, 23:25

They would be better off with JHMCS-II. If you are going to take the leap to a HMD, do it right.

http://www.vsi-hmcs.com/index.php/jhmcs-ii
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Unread post18 Mar 2013, 23:55

From what I've read, they both seem to be pretty effective. What makes you prefer the JHMCS II? I'm just glad they're not waiting on the F-35's HMD program.
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 00:13

IIRC they are binocular, have a larger FOV, can do full motion video, no cockpit mapping needed, etc.
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 01:27

Commonality with the rest of the Air Force F-15/16 fleet wouldn't hurt...
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 02:39

That too :)
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 03:24

I suspect cost is the primary consideration. Scorpion looks to be a snap-on attachment fitting over the pilot's right eye that iscompatible with existing helmets that meets the need for HOBS missile cueing which is the primary requirement. Good enough at an acceptable cost, no other fancy bells and whistles. It would be helpful if we had comparative cost data vs. JHMCS-II. Isn't Scorpion slated for the A-10 also?
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:16

You want to equip the most advanced combat fighter in the world's inventory with the cheapest HMS possible?

Does that seem short sighted to you?

Given the F-22's premature end of production and it's overall low numbers, shouldn't we be giving them the best equipment possible (and keep in mind the JHMCS is not that expensive for 187 airframes)?
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:20

Spud...I guess all you have to do is solve the cockpit mapping problem then. Good luck.
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:29

Probably a lot easier to integrate a missile-pointer than a full HUD substitute, too.
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:30

I'd be all for it, but the mapping problem is not going to be solved...hence why they're looking at this.
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:37

SpudmanWP wrote:You want to equip the most advanced combat fighter in the world's inventory with the cheapest HMS possible?

Does that seem short sighted to you?

Given the F-22's premature end of production and it's overall low numbers, shouldn't we be giving them the best equipment possible (and keep in mind the JHMCS is not that expensive for 187 airframes)?


I trust the people who have to weigh all the alternatives and their respective pros and cons to make the most cost-effective solution. Every dollar going into the F-22 is a dollar taken,away from some other priority. Maybe order the sirloin instead of the fillet mignon.
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:44

@checksixx:

The JHMCS-II-H does not require cockpit mapping.

JHMCS II-H provides the same HMD performance with a new opto-inertial tracker and replaces the JHMCS subsystems with a lightweight Aircraft Interface Unit (ACIU) which does not require cooling, a mounting tray or cockpit mapping. JHMCS II provides visor projected video & symbology in a well balanced lightweight HMD and is certified to 600 KEAS.


http://www.vsi-hmcs.com/index.php/jhmcs-ii
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 04:51

That version doesn't, but still requires room to wear it...
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Unread post19 Mar 2013, 05:38

"Room to wear it"???

How does that not apply to the Scorpion system?

JHMCS-II is no larger than the Scorpion

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Before you say it, there is plenty of head room in the cockpit of the F-22 for either system

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