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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 00:34

Salute!

Saw one or two today ( looked like SuperBugs), plus several flights of 35's.

One flight looked like A model with Viper chase, and the landing approach chase position was real close so it was prolly a checkout hop for the Stubbie pilot.

So I guess the Navy folks are getting familiar here for the first Cee models. And I would not be surprised to see an early arrival for those.

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P.S. Anybody know when the Bee's are gonna start vertical landings? And where?
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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 00:40

Duke is the OLF for F-35B VLs on pretend LHAs (if'n youse'n Eglin?). SeaCs will FCLP here also.

An Update on the Eglin F-35 Training Facility Nov/18/2010 [posted earlier]

An Interview With Colonel Arthur Tomassetti

http://www.sldinfo.com/?p=12819
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http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... uke#191435
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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 01:29

Gums wrote:P.S. Anybody know when the Bee's are gonna start vertical landings? And where?


Yuma, next week.
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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 04:46

Salute!

TNX, Silver.

Spaz, takes me about 12 - 13 minutes to get to the dirt road you see on the right side of that Duke pic.

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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 04:54

Present ARMS! GUMS - may I stay at your house indefinitely soonest please. :D WOW! WOT a view I hope you have after your short drive. Stay fit and run it. Take a zoom camera.

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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 19:16

Salute!

Knock off the kneeling before a crusty greybeard, Spaz!!
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Went out this morning to check access and the road is closed for now and for.....? Trucks were moving back and forth, so must be the construction crew getting the launch facility finished.

The road is normally open, except during a hunting season when there will be a "game check" station to get in and out.

Online range map today showed a buncha areas closed south and east of Duke for next few days, so could be missions in the area involving live ord.

If I knew the training schedule I could drive right on the base and watch from the ramp on west side, as I have the magic I.D. card.

Will let all know what happens.

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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 19:24

All HAIL GUMS - thanks. :D
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Unread post21 Mar 2013, 22:59

Yummy YUMA has the first VL apparently (it must be true - it was TWEETED). :D

First F-35B Lightning II vertical landing at MCAS in Yuma 21 Mar 2013 Story by Lucy Valencia, Assignment Desk Editor - email

http://www.kswt.com/story/21759199/firs ... as-in-yuma

"YUMA, Ariz. (KSWT News 13) - History is in the making today.

Captain Staci Reidinger, of the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, tweeted that VMFA-121 just conducted their first F-35B Lightning II vertical landing at MCAS Yuma.

KSWT News 13 will continue developing this story to bring you the latest news."

That is it - TWEETS are SHORT AND SWEET! :D
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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 02:57

Video: VMFA-121 F-35B Lightning II short take off, and vertical landing 21 Mar 2013 Video by Lance Cpl. Ryan Lampro

http://www.dvidshub.net/video/284788/vm ... al-landing [Runny Landing shown also]

"Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, Third Marine Aircraft Wing conducted its first F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter Short Take off, Vertical Landing aboard Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz. March 21, 2013. This evolution marks a historical milestone for the Green Knights and Marine aviation as VMFA-121, the Corps’ first operational F-35B squadron continues to work toward full operational capacity. Maj. Robert Rusnok piloted BF-19 and conducted the STOVL operations and LtCol. Jeffrey Scott, VMFA-121 CO piloted the chase F-35B aircraft, BF-20. Available in High Definition."
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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 10:15

Utubby Vid: DOD_100768291-1080x720-3000k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-64-_Db ... r_embedded

"Published on Mar 21, 2013
Maj Richard Rusnok, first "operational" STOVL sortie at VMFA-121 squadron, MCAS Yuma, Arizona"

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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 10:34

Oops (rat tails aflappin')... :D
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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 16:16

Here is some carrier action by Hornets: http://youtu.be/AYeTVed-qAY
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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 18:10

Same video mentioned here already [as pointed out below the VIDEO at other page deleted now] - but it is worth mentioning again - if ONLY for the clip of the controls being worked as shown in the clip below. Probably the F-35C will NOT require such effort. And I guess it is true that the average age on the flight deck is 19 years old after all. [addition: Apparently a few years more on average - cliches are wonderful eh.] :D

http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... c&p=237371
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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 20:41

I'm not sure that is accurate actually. I think the average age would be more like 20-21 across the flight deck.

BTW The youtube video keeps getting moved/deleted/etc. (Oops lamoey beat me to it)

Remember that the F/A-18E/F is a lot smoother compared to the F/A-18A/B when it comes to landing and approach. The F/A-18A/B required constant stick and throttle adjustments to hold the ball, it didn't stabilize on approach nearly as easily. This was partly due to low-speed handling limitations and less advanced engine control systems on the early F404s.
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Unread post22 Mar 2013, 21:30

Have somewhat amended my post above about repeated video (not realising it had been deleted from that URL). However the video is about the SHORNET so I'll assume we see the controls being waggled in a Super Hornet:

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VFA-211 Super Hornets bringing the $hit Hot Break and bagging a few traps onboard the USS Enterprise. Also known as the "Triple Nickel" (Breaking 500', 500kts and .5NM BEFORE the boat).
***Not an Official Navy Video***

There was a discussion about this 'keeping the aircraft active' on glideslope or similar earlier.... I'll look.... Nothing wrong with the method IMHO - just noting the work required for - I'll assume - an OK 3 after the shithotbreak! :D
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If controls are 'flapped' then controls are seen to 'flap' as observed here:

http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... les#208582

Paddles monthly’ Oct 2010

http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesM ... er2010.pdf [1.1Mb]

Rhino Flying!!!
This month I thought I would try to answer some questions that people may have asked themselves or others, but have never found the answers. One question may be, “Why is the approach speed of the Super Hornet slower than the Hornet?” Think about that one…“How can an airplane that has roughly the same planform layout yet is 25% larger and close to 30% heavier at carrier landing weight fly slower?” Another question that comes to mind is, “Why do the stabilators of the Super Hornet seem to flap and move so much more than the Hornet on approach?” especially considering the fact that they have similar flight control systems and flying qualities...."

Read it all at the jump on this forum or download the PDF. I will venture that different pilots will have different techniques within the required technique and will apply them according to circumstances at the time. No good or bad as long as acceptable and gets the OK 3 every time no complaints from him.
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'Paddles monthly’ Nov 2010

http://www.hrana.org/documents/Newslett ... er2010.pdf[1.4Mb]

ATC and Me

..."In the Rhino if you want a big glideslope correction, make a rapid stick movement not a large one. With rapid inputs the throttles will be a much more responsive!

In our previously example if you were low and made a very rapid back stick input you would very quickly get a larger power addition and would not go slow. The same is true for high corrections as well. So the ATCs in the Rhino ARE much more responsive then the Legacy, you simply need to make rapid inputs.

As pilots we are great compensators. If you give us a task to do we will rapidly figure out how to do it. Years ago I did not know how the ATC worked; I just knew that if I moved the stick rapidly I kept “energy” on the jet. In reality those small rapid movements were making bigger throttle corrections than if I had made small, smooth movements...."
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