Is the F-22 still the most advanced plane in the world?

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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 00:47

Just a general question, as of 2013, would you guys still consider the F-22 the most advanced/best plane in the world?
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 00:57

archmage10 wrote:just a general question, as of 2013, would you guys still consider the f-22 the most advanced/best plane in the world

No, the F-35 is the most advanced aircraft. It is approximately 10 years newer in technology than the F-22. The F-35 has significantly more advanced avionics and strike capability. The F-22 is faster, and has Mach 1.6 supercruise capability.
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 01:09

The F-35 is the most technologically-advanced aircraft, but the F-22A is the best in sheer performance. It remains to be seen which will have better overall performance, however.
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 01:18

archmage10 wrote:just a general question, as of 2013, would you guys still consider the f-22 the most advanced/best plane in the world


Your question requires further defining but I'd suggest reading this recent article about the F-22. Although it emphasizes points made in the past, it'll answer your question.

http://airman.dodlive.mil/2012/12/bird-of-prey/

Simply put, nothing operational now or anticipated in the future can match the F-22 in it's primary role of air dominance.

Those that want to compare the F-35 to the F-22 is comparing apples to oranges because their roles are different.
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 02:25

people have said the pak-fa and typhoon are better then f-22, f-35
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 02:54

"People" say a lot of things. Is this going to be yet another troll thread?
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 03:27

The PAK-FA isn't even in production, is Russia's first attempt at a stealth acft, and will not enjoy an avionics package such as the F-22 employs. It is also in the middle of a redesign due to cracks in the prototypes. The Typhoon was/is boondoggle. Too late in the game and just as expensive as an F-22 without the perks.

Here's a simple question. If you could buy any of the three, which would you choose??
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 04:58

I'd buy the one that people have to break ROE's and safety of flight rules just to put a gun circle on...
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 06:01

archmage10 wrote:people have said the pak-fa and typhoon are better then f-22, f-35


The Eurofighter lacks VLO design, AESA radar, and just about every other defining characteristic of a '5th-generation' fighter. Frankly, the Rafale is a more capable and survivable aircraft.

Most of these 'analyses' (using the term lightly) are made by overtly biased fanboys who fail to take into account anything but sheer kinematic potential. In that case, the T-50 is reputed to be quite good, but it's not an accurate picture. Air combat is not about simply aircraft vs. aircraft. In the current environment, it is system vs. system. The F-22 and F-35 are able to work as parts of a system including AWACS and JSTARS, with substantial datalink capability. The T-50 simply doesn't have the electronic edge of the USAF fighters. In the case of the Eurofighter, it does possess a decent portion of this systems-integration, but the airframe itself is fundamentally flawed by its comparatively massive RCS.
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 06:05

Well the T-50 isn't even in production, so I'd say it doesn't actually have anything.
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 11:34

As far as Air to Air, nothing comes close to the capabilities of the F-22. As previously discussed, the F-35 is really the only other plane that would offer a challenge to the F-22, but the Raptor would still shoot the F-35 out of the sky with about as much difficulty as clubbing baby seals.
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 13:15

maybe. I would not be surprised if the F-35s could track the F-22s on IR before the F-22 can pick up the F-35 on radar. plus the F-35 radar has jammed the F-22 radar in the past (unanswered questions are weather the F-22 radar was in LPI or not and the range at which jamming occurred)
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 17:31

so even the russian t-50 (pakfa) and china's j-20 will still be no match for even the f-35,

but the f-35 is no match for the f-22

is this correct?
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Unread post03 Jan 2013, 23:08

archmage10 wrote:so even the russian t-50 (pakfa) and china's j-20 will still be no match for even the f-35,

but the f-35 is no match for the f-22

is this correct?

That is completely incorrect.

Depending on the range, the F-35 and F-22 have different advantages, and as commented in another thread, its doubtful if an AIM-120C/D or Russian equivalent could engage a F-22 at any reasonable range. The F-35 would also be difficult to engage with an AIM-120, or equivalent, due to EODAS & AN/ASQ-239 EW/EA suite, combined with sensor fusion, to evade the missile.

The F-22 could probably locate a PAK-FA within the range of an AIM-120D and engage without ever being detected. The F-35 could probably do the same.
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Unread post04 Jan 2013, 21:25

Interesting that people here, rightfully, recognise that the T-50 is not even in production, but yet make claims that its avionics will be inferior to that of the F-22 which entered service a more than a decade ago when the T-50 will hit the scene. Of course the Raptor has evolved as well, but other than "hey in the past the Russians were always lagging behind in avionics" how can you chaps be sure that it will be any better or worse? Likewise other than VLO and an AESA what characteristics does the Typhoon lack in comparison to aircraft like the F-22 when it comes to "5th generation"? There is also stuff on the Typhoon that can not be found on the Raptor does it mean now that the F-22 is not even "4.5 gneration" because it lacks this or that? Maybe some of you think first before they shout!
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