Raptor Down at Tyndall

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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 00:23

Air Force Times is reporting an F-22 crash landed at Tyndall. The pilot retracted the landing gear too early and failed to apply more power causing it to belly land due to stall. I hope it's not a write off. Damage estimated at $35,000,000 :(


http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/ ... ort-111512
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 00:27

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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 00:48

that report was about a May incident. apparently one went down today
http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Plane-Crash-On-US-98-Near-Tyndall-AFB-179557981.html
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 00:50

Sorry, here is the correct one:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/ ... all-111512

I think it's a write-off *SOBBING*
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 02:23

Headquarters, Air Education and Training Command
Office of Public Affairs Phone: (210) 652-4400
100 H Street, Suite 4 Fax: (210) 652-2027
Joint Base San Antonio-Randolph 78150-4331 http://www.aetc.af.mil
Release Number: 12-11-05
Date: November 14, 2012
F-22A Raptor, T/N 02-4037 ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION COMPLETE
JOINT BASE SAN ANTONIO-RANDOLPH, Texas – Air Force officials announced the
results of an F-22A accident investigation today. The investigation into the May 31, 2012, F-
22A Raptor mishap at Tyndall AFB, Fla., determined the mishap was due to pilot error.
The mishap pilot, assigned to the 325th Fighter Wing’s 43rd Fighter Squadron, failed to advance
power before he initiated gear retraction.
The Accident Investigation Board (AIB) president found clear and convincing evidence that the
causes of the mishap were the pilot’s failure to advance the aircraft’s engines to military power
and the pilot’s premature retraction of the landing gear during a touch-and-go landing. Without
sufficient thrust, the aircraft settled back to the runway, landing on its underside. The aircraft
then skidded along the runway to a stop.
The pilot was able to safely exit the aircraft, suffering only minor injuries. There were no
fatalities, significant injuries, or damage to civilian property. The estimated cost to repair the F-
22A is approximately $35 million.
The president of the Accident Investigation Board was Col. Richard M. Murphy. He is assigned
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 02:43

http://www.newsherald.com/news/f-22-dow ... ll-1.50359

By Chris Olwell / The News Herald

Published: Thursday, November 15, 2012 at 16:55 PM.


An F-22 crashed near U.S. 98 on Tyndall Air Force Base Thursday afternoon.

The pilot ejected and is OK, according to an Air Force communication.

The plane went down around 3:30 p.m. Investigators are on scene.

Bay County Sheriff’s deputies and Mexico Beach Police officers assisted with traffic control. U.S. 98 between Mexico Beach and the DuPont Bridge was closed and would remain closed indefinitely, according to the police scanner. Westbound traffic was moving slowly away from the base.

“The pilot safely ejected and is in the hands of medical personnel,” said Herman Bell, TAFB spokesman.

According to Bell, Air Force officials will address reporters around 5:45 p.m.

Sources near the scene said the plane crashed and burned. The wreckage ended up a few hundred feet from U.S. 98 near the base’s drone runway.

Air Force officials haven’t confirmed or denied a chemical spill. Bay County’s Hazardous Materials response team was standing by.

This story will be updated tonight.

UPDATE: The Air Force has verified that the downed jet is an F-22. It crashed at 3:30 p.m. one quarter mile east of the drone runway.

U.S. 98 has been closed from Dupont Bridge to the “Welcome to Mexico Beach” sign as a safety precaution.

The pilot is currently under supervision of the 325th Medical Group. First responders are on scene.

An earlier story is posted below:

Emergency responders are heading to the area of Tyndall Air Force Base in response to a report of an aircraft down on U.S. 98.

According to scanner traffic, the pilot ejected and parachuted to safety.

Officials are in the process of closing U.S. 98, which is reportedly blocked by debris and fire. The highway will be closed for an indefinite period of time.

If this is accurate, is the number now 184? Sorry for the loss. :cry:
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 04:27

Guess Simulators and CBTs dont make up for hands on training.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 04:43

Respects to the safely ejected pilot.

Peace time fighter aircraft Attrition is expected no matter how new the system is and factored into any Program requirements. It's why there is a discussion even at this advanced staged for a potential follow-on for the F-22, a la some form of 'NGAD' type platform requirement. When there are only some 83 or so combat-coded block 35-capable F-22s to begin with and then one adds 20 years of operation into the equation, it's clear there will need to be some form of follow-on procurement in order to maintain capability and deterrence.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 07:41

TimmayMan wrote:Guess Simulators and CBTs dont make up for hands on training.

While I'm inclined to agree that simulators and CBT are cannot substitute for time in the jet, we should not make guesses like that until more is known about the cause of the crash, and what actually happened.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 09:34

Would it be possible to program a fail-safe into the jet to prevent a recurrence of this kind of mishap?
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 10:43

popcorn wrote:Would it be possible to program a fail-safe into the jet to prevent a recurrence of this kind of mishap?

Theoretically definitely.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 19:28

popcorn wrote:Would it be possible to program a fail-safe into the jet to prevent a recurrence of this kind of mishap?

Not saying this is what happened with the F-22 mishaps, but there have been cases where jets(MD-80 from memory) with "take off configuration warning" systems being ignored/disabled by pilots, and the pilot makes a mistake and the jet goes down.

Some jets (airliners & fighters) have a "Gear not down" alert, and others say "Altitude.. Altitude" or "pull up.. pull up" or "terrain.. terrain" etc. but they can't design out all modes of pilot error. AF447 went down because Airbus thought their autopilot was smarter than the pilots who fly it.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 20:41

Not to hijack my current thread, but I am sick and tired of people demonizing the Raptor on Wikipedia. I had to edit out some idiot's paragraph indicating that the F-22 has the highest accident rate of any USAF aircraft operated. Did these morons ever hear about the F-100 Super Sabre, the F-104 Starfighter, and yes, even the F-4 Phantom?

Anyways, every new aircraft has teething issues, but to blatantly put out an ignorant comment and point it to an unaccredited source makes me sick.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 21:03

mongo wrote:Not to hijack my current thread, but I am sick and tired of people demonizing the Raptor on Wikipedia. I had to edit out some idiot's paragraph indicating that the F-22 has the highest accident rate of any USAF aircraft operated. Did these morons ever hear about the F-100 Super Sabre, the F-104 Starfighter, and yes, even the F-4 Phantom?

Anyways, every new aircraft has teething issues, but to blatantly put out an ignorant comment and point it to an unaccredited source makes me sick.

I agree. I don't think people realize how few F-22 crashes have occurred operationally. How many hours does the F-22 fleet have? It isn't a small number like some people claim.
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Unread post16 Nov 2012, 21:29

neurotech wrote:
mongo wrote:Not to hijack my current thread, but I am sick and tired of people demonizing the Raptor on Wikipedia. I had to edit out some idiot's paragraph indicating that the F-22 has the highest accident rate of any USAF aircraft operated. Did these morons ever hear about the F-100 Super Sabre, the F-104 Starfighter, and yes, even the F-4 Phantom?

Anyways, every new aircraft has teething issues, but to blatantly put out an ignorant comment and point it to an unaccredited source makes me sick.

I agree. I don't think people realize how few F-22 crashes have occurred operationally. How many hours does the F-22 fleet have? It isn't a small number like some people claim.

Thing is, there will never be enough F-22s to produce statistically relevant numbers on accident rates.
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