F-35 and X-47B

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 08:18

Boeing looks to have selected the F137 engine (aka AE 3007N) for the MQ-25. That should generate est 7k to 9k lb thrust (variants used for MQ-4C/RQ-4)

This suggests a gross weight of ~32k lbs for the MQ-25.
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 08:42

Quote from BTM previous page this thread:
"...Each MQ-25 aircraft will be powered by a single Rolls-Royce AE 3007N engine, manufactured in Indianapolis. The AE 3007N, the latest variant of the Rolls-Royce AE family of engines, will provide more than 10,000 pounds of thrust and additional electrical power to the aircraft...."
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 08:58

spazsinbad wrote:Quote from BTM previous page this thread:
"...Each MQ-25 aircraft will be powered by a single Rolls-Royce AE 3007N engine, manufactured in Indianapolis. The AE 3007N, the latest variant of the Rolls-Royce AE family of engines, will provide more than 10,000 pounds of thrust and additional electrical power to the aircraft...."


So where does it say the gross weight will be?
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 09:52

I give in - where?
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 10:04

spazsinbad wrote:I give in - where?


Good question! I was hoping you had the answer:)

As RR (which the seapower quoted RR's media release word for word) has highlighted that the engine thrust is 10+k lbs, I would amend the estimate slightly higher. Possibly 35k lbs. If assuming empty weight of 15k lbs, it could suggest around 14000 lb fuel internal + 2 x 2750 lb pod (3900 lb fuel @6.5 lb per gal) with ~17900 lb fuel.
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Unread post19 Oct 2018, 14:57

IKE marks installation of Unmanned Aviation Warfare Center
16 Oct 2018 USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)·PR

"PORTSMOUTH, Va. – The commanding officer of USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) (Ike) and the program manager of Unmanned Carrier Aviation officially recognized the completion of the initial installation phase of the first carrier-based Unmanned Aviation Warfare Center (UAWC) Sept. 28 aboard Ike....

...Ike is the first carrier to complete this first phase and be outfitted with the foundational, physical UAWC space. The second phase of installation will equip the UAWC with the systems necessary to operate the MQ-25 Stingray – the first operational, carrier-based unmanned refueling aircraft....

...Once fully equipped, the UAWC will be the operations center for the MQ-25A Stingray. Operators will control the MQ-25 system from within the UAWC using the MD-5 control station, consisting of display, processing, networking, and communications hardware. The UAWC’s video management system, consisting of large-format displays and support stations tied to multiple video and data feeds, will provide situational awareness of the flight deck and surrounding areas. The radio communication system exchanges ultra-high frequency command-and-control data between the MD-5 and the MQ-25A.

While the MD-5 is not yet installed aboard Ike, the video management and radio communication systems provide resources to Ike’s crew for a host of other operational uses....

...The Unmanned Carrier Aviation Program Office is responsible for the MQ-25 lifecycle and manages two programs of record: the MQ-25A Stingray air vehicle, and the Unmanned Carrier Aviation Mission Control System (UMCS)."


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Unread post04 Feb 2019, 01:42

New HANGARS (note spelling) are not cheap.
Navy awards contract to build MQ-25 hangar at Pax River
01 Feb 2019 NavAir

"NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, Patuxent River, Md. -- The Navy awarded a $41.8 million contract to B.L. Harbert International Jan. 30 to build the MQ-25 Unmanned Air System Research, Development, Test and Evaluation (RDT&E) hangar at Patuxent River Naval Air Station....

...The RDT&E hangar will include multiple bays to accommodate up to three aircraft with extended wings and one with folded wings, maintenance shops, crew spaces, administrative areas, and laboratory space for the government and contractor integrated test team. It will also be equipped with an Unmanned Carrier Aviation (UCA) Mission Control System (UMCS) control station to operate the air vehicle as it undergoes testing. [This would be extra cost?]

Construction of the hangar is planned to be completed by the end of fiscal year 2020."

Source: http://www.navair.navy.mil/news/Navy-aw ... 12019-0913
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 10:14

Boeing’s MQ-25 Prototype Will Save the Navy 18 Months of Development
29 Apr 2019 Richard R. Burgess

"ARLINGTON, Virginia — The existence of a working prototype of the Navy’s MQ-25A Stingray carrier-based aerial refueling UAV will save 18 months of development time and could be a factor if the Navy decides to move up the date of the aircraft’s Initial Operational Capability (IOC), currently planned for 2024.

“Eighteen months of early learning is the biggest step” to pushing up IOC, said Steve Bujold, Boeing’s MQ-25 program director, speaking to reporters April 29 at Boeing’s facility in Arlington.

Boeing built its company-owned prototype, called T-1, for the canceled UCLASS (Unmanned Carrier-Launched Aerial Surveillance and Strike) UAV program and, unlike its competitors, had the prototype on hand for the MQ-25 competition. T1 has not yet flown but has participated in taxi tests and overnight on April 28 was transported from the St. Louis, Missouri, plant to Mid-America airport in southern Illinois for additional ground tests and eventually its first flight.

Boeing expects to fly T-1 later in 2019. Bujold said that T-1 is a “very strong representation of the EMD [engineering and manufacturing development] aircraft” and that waiting for the first EMD aircraft to emerge from the factory would add 18 months to the program.

At Mid-America, T-1 will receive the aerial refueling system of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet strike fighter and the Joint Precision Aircraft Landing System. The plan includes, in addition to more ground testing, a “couple hundred flight hours,” Bujold said.

Eventually, T-1 will be transported to participate in risk-reduction deck handling trials on board an East Coast aircraft carrier. Testing is planned to continue through fiscal 2021, the year the first EMD MQ-25A is completed. Bujold said the design will be frozen sometime in 2020.

He said that a factor that could help speed up development is the fact that Navy program officials are embedded with Boeing officials in a common government maritime acceleration team. Rather than having to communicate with stacks of documents, Boeing and Navy officials operate through a shared network drive, a method that, he said, “speeds up acquisition,” using “rolling [program] reviews.”"

Source: https://seapowermagazine.org/boeings-mq ... -the-navy/
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Unread post30 Apr 2019, 12:38

I imagine an X-plane that was already tested aboard carrier and done AAR would have saved even more time.

The route USN chose to go with UCLASS/Stingray is truly bizarre.
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Unread post01 May 2019, 17:06

Here’s the US Navy’s Drone Tanker, on the Road
29 Apr 2019 Marcus Weisgerber

"A prototype of the Navy’s new MQ-25 carrier-based drone is expected to fly before year’s end, but it’s already taken a drive on the highway. On Sunday night, a gray test drone about the size of a F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet was loaded on a flatbed semi truck and driven from Boeing’s campus at St. Louis Lambert International Airport across the Mississippi River to MidAmerica St. Louis Airport, a small regional airport next to Scott Air Force Base in rural Illinois.

Since the regional airport is in less crowded airspace, “it gives us some flexibility in how we can fly,” Dave Bujold, the Boeing program manager overseeing drone project, said in an interview on Monday. In the coming years, Boeing will build four MQ-25 drones for the Navy. The Navy intends to fly the drones from aircraft carriers, using them to refuel other aircraft mid-flight. The drone will not carry weapons.

The drone moved on Sunday night, is a test aircraft built by Boeing on its own dime. Within the company, it’s known as T-1 or “Tail 1.”...

...Bujold described the test flights — scheduled to begin later this year — as “the classic flight test work,” expanding the drone’s envelope. When that’s done, the plane will undergo modifications including the installation of the aerial refueling system and new electronics. When that’s done, the plane will start flying again.

The Boeing test aircraft will eventually undergo testing on the East Coast, where the Navy will hoist it onto an aircraft carrier for deck handling testing. “By the time the Navy’s assets are jumping in the air, we will already have had thousands of test hours on the ground and hundreds in the air,” Bujold said. The first Navy aircraft is scheduled to fly in fiscal 2021. “We’re on pace [to meet that schedule],” Bujold said. “In the meantime, we’ll fly this [prototype] and learn a lot early.”..." [then lots of BOING! stuff]

Photo: "A prototype of the Navy’s new MQ-25 carrier-based drone is driven to its test airfield in Illinois." https://cdn.defenseone.com/media/img/up ... -large.png


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Unread post01 May 2019, 19:52

hythelday wrote:I imagine an X-plane that was already tested aboard carrier and done AAR would have saved even more time.

The route USN chose to go with UCLASS/Stingray is truly bizarre.


Greater need? Lower risk? Who knows.

One thing I know for sure if that the AI for UCAVs is likely not matured enough yet. There needs to be secure data links to UCAVs - which will be difficult in a conflict with a near peer adversary - or the UCAV needs to be able to operate autonomously. Navigation, threat management/self defense, and the employment of weapons.

It would be relatively easy for the Navy to develop a long range stealthy version of the Predator. But to develop something more sophisticated will take time.
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Unread post07 May 2019, 01:54

Navy: First MQ-25A Stingray Flight Planned for Later This Year
06 May 2019 Sam LaGrone

"NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. – Later this year, Boeing’s prototype for the Navy’s MQ-25A Stingray unmanned aerial tanker will make its first flight from an Illinois airport. When the Stingray will start operating from U.S. carriers is less clear. On April 28, Boeing moved its MQ-25A prototype from its manufacturing facility near St. Louis, Mo. to the MidAmerica regional airport where it will conduct its first flight later this year, Program Executive Officer for Unmanned Aviation and Strike Weapons Rear Adm. Brian Corey said on Monday at the Navy League’s Sea Air Space 2019 symposium. “The team is working through the software checks and the clearance with the FAA and the FCC, etcetera, to make sure when we operate the aircraft we operate it safely and we bring her home,” he said....

...In tandem with tests of the airframe, Naval Air Systems Command is also developing the ground control station and the data links to operate the airframe.

In terms of how the MQ-25A will integrate with the rest of the carrier air wing, Corey said the Navy would employ a model similar to how MH-60R Seahawk crews use with the unmanned MQ-8 Fire Scout UAVs aboard Littoral Combat Ships. The MQ-25As will be paired with the Navy’s E-2 Hawkeye community. E-2 pilots and naval flight officers will cross train to operate the MQ-25A from the carrier, Corey said.

The Navy is also upgrading four aircraft carriers with the Unmanned Carrier Aviation Mission Control System (UMCS) to operate the MQ-25As from the carrier. USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77) will be the first carrier to be upgraded with the UMCS. USNI News previously reported USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) was also scheduled to be upgraded with UMCS.

Corey did not say which carrier would be the first to test the Stingray."

Photo: "MQ-25 Stingray. Boeing Photo" https://news.usni.org/wp-content/upload ... 0541-1.jpg


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Unread post08 May 2019, 05:44

Boeing's MQ-25: Autonomous, agile and ready for the U.S. Navy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TQ1jh_hpXg

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Unread post09 May 2019, 14:45

spazsinbad wrote:Boeing's MQ-25: Autonomous, agile and ready for the U.S. Navy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TQ1jh_hpXg



Great.

Time now for the USAF to get a stealth tanker of their own!
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Unread post10 May 2019, 14:21

Boeing to introduce flat satellite antenna to bring high-speed broadband to military aircraft
08 May 2019 Sandra Erwin

"WASHINGTON — Boeing Phantom Works, the company’s advanced technology arm, is introducing a new flat satellite antenna that would bring high-speed broadband to military aircraft. The low-profile electronically steered antenna and a multi-channel terminal will be in production next year and the launch customer will be the Navy’s future unmanned mid-air refueling tanker, the MQ-25, which Boeing is developing under an $805 million contract....

...The terminal that Boeing designed can be configured with up to five modems and three services simultaneously so users can tap into the military’s Wideband Global Satcom constellation or commercial Ka-band satcom providers. Boeing’s earlier generations of phased array antennas only supported Ku-band. “We’ve seen the market move to Ka band,” said Gathmann. There was a learning curve in the transition to Ka, he said. “We’re really targeting increased performance at a cost point that is comparable to mechanically steered parabolic antennas with radomes.”...

...Gathmann said the military fleet has been slow to adopt modern satcom systems. Cost is one reason but also concerns about having to take aircraft needed in the field to maintenance depots to get new hardware installed. Boeing will have to persuade buyers that the installation of the equipment will not disrupt operations. “Typically with customers we’re in an education mode,” he said.

The MQ-25 aircraft carrier-based unmanned refueling tanker was chosen as the launch customer because of its demanding requirements for data storage and streaming. The Navy also plans to use it as an intelligence collector. “They need a big pipe on board,” Gathmann said....

...The new antenna is expected to be in production by the second quarter of 2020."

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Source: https://spacenews.com/boeing-to-introdu ... -aircraft/
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