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Unread post22 Mar 2018, 15:34

The 'immense heat of F-35B VL on deck' meme will never die for some - I await the zombie 'melting decks' meme next.
Japan To Ponder F-35B Buy; Korea’s First F-35A Takes Flight
22 Mar 2018 David Donald

"Japan’s ruling Liberal Democratic Party has presented a proposal at an internal national security panel that seeks to enhance the nation’s defenses in light of the growing tension in the region created by North Korea’s missile program and China’s expanding maritime presence. The purchase of F-35Bs, and a new multi-purpose aircraft carrier/hospital ship, are included. The plan is expected to be presented to parliament in late May....

...Serving primarily as helicopter carriers for anti-submarine warfare, search and rescue, and for disaster relief, the two Izumo-class vessels resemble a traditional aircraft carrier and feature a large flight deck. Lead-ship Izumo was commissioned in March 2015, with Kaga following two years later. For some time there has been speculation that the vessels have incorporated design features that would allow them to be modified to operate fixed-wing aircraft. However, extensive alterations would be needed to adapt the vessels for F-35B operation, particularly with regard to the immense heat [extremely large or great, especially in scale or degree] generated by the aircraft during vertical landings. Each vessel could accommodate around 10 F-35Bs....

...In the meantime, the first F-35A destined for Japan’s neighbor, South Korea, undertook its first flight on March 19. The flight was performed at Fort Worth by Lockheed Martin chief test pilot Alan Norman. The aircraft is one of 40 ordered by South Korea in 2014, all of which are due to have been delivered by 2021. In December 2017 Korean newspaper Joongang Ilbo reported that the country’s defense acquisition agency had began the process of purchasing an additional 20 F-35As.

Source: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... kes-flight
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Unread post22 Mar 2018, 16:01

While it's not going to "melt" the deck, there are structural weakening issues to consider and reinforcements needed due to the concentrated heat loads. All current LHA/LHDs are getting these updates.
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Unread post22 Mar 2018, 16:48

I'm aware of all of that - I guess EXAGGERATION on the part of the reporter is good for his soul and clickbait for the rest.

And yet the reporter gives no details whereas we are told these DDHs have been designed for the F-35B and require minimal mods such as better deck paint maybe. Go figure. This is a quote from SHINbum article on previous page:
"...- In those days, the U.S. F-35B stealth fighters, which could take off and land vertically, were in development, leading to a design conception of the Izumo on the premise that it could be converted to handle landings and takeoffs of the F-35B and other aircraft, such as the Osprey transport aircraft.
- The approximately 250-meter long Izumo’s elevator connecting the deck with the hangar was designed to accommodate the F-35B fighter, which measures about 15 meters in length and about 11 meters in width.
- Paint that can withstand the exhaust heat generated from F-35 fighter jets during landings and takeoffs was selected for the deck of the Izumo.
- It has also been expected to retrofit the Izumo with a sloping deck for takeoffs (ski-jump), the former MSDF executives said...."
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Unread post17 Apr 2018, 01:17

Via E-mail but in Italian with an English translation of sorts: Cost to refit CAVOUR over two years for F-35B operations.
"Italian MoD has released costings for Cavour's upcoming F-35B refit, due from late this year to 2020 (it's actually part of a huge, scheduled refit). Full document attached, along with a screenshot showing the sum total (the capital 'M' next to the euro symbol stands for millions). Also a handy screenshot.
Comes to the mighty, bank-busting total of ........................................................................ 74 million euros. That's about USD 90-ish million at current rates.
Main works include;
(1) Flight deck mods, including either Thermion or UK thermal nonskid and deck strengthening for extra weight,
(2) JP5 stowage modifications. Unclear what this entails,
(3) Hangar and dedicated workshops and parts storage changes,
(4) Electrical system. Unclear what this entails, and
(5) Extremely high security "special access" areas for ALIS, et al."
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CAVOUR REFIT 2018-2020 171121_Relazione_Preliminare_C.tto_JSF.pdf
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Unread post29 Apr 2018, 04:18

Study looked at turning Izumo into a flattop to help U.S. in war
28 Apr 2018 Takateru Doi & Hirotaka Kojo THE ASAHI SHINBUM

"...The report states that the Defense Ministry's precondition for the study was to look into how the Izumo could be used to provide rear-line support to the U.S. military. The company was asked to provide estimates for the cost and construction schedule if changes were made to allow U.S. F-35B stealth fighter jets to land vertically on the deck and to use elevators to transport aircraft to their hangars. No mention was made in the study for having the SDF use the improved Izumo.

Some portions of the released report were redacted, including details on what changes would be needed to transform the Izumo into an aircraft carrier, as well as the costs to make the changes and the duration of the project. The Defense Ministry had contended that it never considered converting the Izumo, and officials maintained that position even with the release of the study report. One official said the study was conducted because, with the deployment of F-35B fighter jets to U.S. Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni in Yamaguchi Prefecture, the need might arise to use the Izumo as a carrier during joint Japan-U.S. military training or when U.S. aircraft experienced mechanical problems. [This is why Australian LHDs need to be prepared to deal with F-35B 'emergencies'.]

However, one government source did not rule out the possibility of the Izumo eventually being converted into an aircraft carrier....

Source: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201804280031.html
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Unread post08 May 2018, 09:28

LHD Juan Carlos I, bound for Kuwait, deployment
Spanish Navy May 2018

[e-mail info] “JCI ferrying some Chinooks and Cougars (medium lifters) for army stabilisation force. Six Harriers and four (I think?) CAG Sea Kings. DDG for roundtrip escort, and an AOR for the Med leg(s).”

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Unread post22 May 2018, 23:30

TCG Trakya, On The Way
22 May 2018 C4Defence

"As Turkey counts down for delivery of the first F-35 Lightning II aircraft, another development came into light of the Turkish Navy front. According to the information obtained by C4Defence, the service plans to supply [buy] a total of 32 short-takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft. Today, there are two aircraft models with this feature and one is to retire. For this reason, the service is considering Lockheed Martin's F-35B aircraft program.

According to the information obtained, the service informed Chief of General Staff about the need to begin the construction of TCG Trakya, the twin of Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) TCG ANADOLU. The Navy stated that the timing of construction of the second ship would have many advantages both in terms of construction time and program cost.

The second phase of the program will include the supply of vertical landing aircraft to be deployed on TCG Trakya. Accordingly, the total number of F-35B aircraft demanded by the service will also be revised.

Although it is not officially requested from the US yet, the Navy plans to buy 16 aircraft per LHD. If all goes as planned, Turkey will have purchased 100 F-35As and 32 F-35Bs....

Source: http://en.c4defence.com/Agenda/tcg-trak ... way/6374/1
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Unread post23 May 2018, 02:55

spazsinbad wrote:
TCG Trakya, On The Way
22 May 2018 C4Defence

"As Turkey counts down for delivery of the first F-35 Lightning II aircraft, another development came into light of the Turkish Navy front. According to the information obtained by C4Defence, the service plans to supply [buy] a total of 32 short-takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft. Today, there are two aircraft models with this feature and one is to retire. For this reason, the service is considering Lockheed Martin's F-35B aircraft program.

According to the information obtained, the service informed Chief of General Staff about the need to begin the construction of TCG Trakya, the twin of Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) TCG ANADOLU. The Navy stated that the timing of construction of the second ship would have many advantages both in terms of construction time and program cost.

The second phase of the program will include the supply of vertical landing aircraft to be deployed on TCG Trakya. Accordingly, the total number of F-35B aircraft demanded by the service will also be revised.

Although it is not officially requested from the US yet, the Navy plans to buy 16 aircraft per LHD. If all goes as planned, Turkey will have purchased 100 F-35As and 32 F-35Bs....

Source: http://en.c4defence.com/Agenda/tcg-trak ... way/6374/1


Wonder if Turkey would consider a Joint Force (F-35) like the UK???
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