An industry air combat threat assessment expert

Discuss the F-35 Lightning II

The expert is from...

Poll ended at 21 Sep 2011, 01:17

Russia
3
13%
Australia
13
54%
Eurofighter
5
21%
France
3
13%
 
Total votes : 24

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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 01:17

Perhaps the "industry air combat threat assessment expert" was either Russian or Australian?

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4416.html
An unnamed source stated that earlier this year a presentation was given by an industry air combat threat assessment expert to defense officials of a NATO country which showed that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) would not survive air combat against threats it is likely to see in its alleged service lifetime.
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 01:28

hcobb wrote:Perhaps the "industry air combat threat assessment expert" was either Russian or Australian?

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4416.html
F-16.net has learned from an unnamed source, that earlier this year a presentation was given by an industry air combat threat assessment expert to defense officials of a NATO country which showed that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) would not survive air combat against threats it is likely to see in its alleged service lifetime.


I wonder w/c NATO country?
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 01:28

I'm far more interested in what experts say, rather than what an "expert" says.
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 01:39

"The Luxembourg Army Marching Band is still puzzled why they were given an unsolicited brief on the JSF at their seminar."

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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 01:40

I quit worrying about this old simulation months ago. It seems to assume that the enemy will be numerically superior, have perfect situational awareness, and that AWACs and tankers can't be escorted. It also gives Russian and Chinese technology way too much credit. There are ways to hold off American assets, but it certainly won't be like "clubbing baby seals." That said, F-22 production has been cut way too short and the F-35 costs way too much; these facts will probably lead to a gradual falling-off of American airpower.
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 01:42

Three guesses as to who the "expert" is; Wheeler, Kopp, Goon.
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 03:21

A rather antagonistic and pretty dumb thread really, I'm sorry. Any serious analyst can postulate such a very likely air combat outcome and assessment in, say a 2017-2018 Red-flag scenario - given a baseline F-35A block3 vs updated Su-35S with latest weapons.

I refuse to vote on such threads as these.
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 04:49

Yeah, I'm the one bring APA into these discussions alright, crikey....

I'm tipping the "Industry Expert" was from Eurofighter or SAAB...

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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 04:53

"Someone says that he heard a guy, tell someone who works on airplanes, talking in some other country, something that may never happen, at some time in the future didn't work on his Combat Flight Simulator; then it got worse...."

Seriously? You F'in kidding.... :roll:"

Mods - How does this pass for 'credible' news. Is this what the beloved and respected F-16.NET has become. Bad enough wading through some of the F-35 nay sayers in the forums let alone the news.

When PW, the USAF, LM, or anyone else won't give specific details concerning this aircraft, who do some 'experts' seem to think they can feed some numbers into a computer and tell if a T-50 (or anything else) can beat the F-35 if they EVER found their way into combat against each other?

Just wondering?
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PS - I have hand AR-15 that can defeat an F-35 in my simulations based on 'worse-case' senarios. Then again, it can defeat almost any other airframe if the weapon is imployed in just the right manor. I can draw a picture if you'd like?
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 04:55

Is it strange that ELP is getting more and more desperate for attention lately? I could have sworn he's been thrown a bone by Boeing, yet he quotes APA. I wonder if he knows that APA are much less kind towards the Superhornet than they are toward the F-35.

Why doesn't he follow APA's school of thought that an upgraded F-22 is "THE ONLY" solution for updated flankers/PAK FA?

"nameless" source told him of "an" analyst presenting for "a" NATO country :doh:

That article was so childishly feeble and lacking substance, it was hilarious. Surely F-16.net, a highly respected aviation web site can do better than this wannabe (or perhaps, neverwas)?
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 04:57

But, but - it is exclusive - or am I mistaken? I have a rusty bridge to sell ya.... :D
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 05:18

Maybe Bill Sweetman will send an article too .
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 07:06

Hmmm, is this the same person who had a thing about 'Spaz.', and about how F16.net shows up in searches so we should be careful what we post??
And then he himself starts his report with F16.net.. then goes on to write about APA. Strange days indeed... :doh:
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 07:19

Combat simulations are fine and dandy but ultimatelty it is the "real" combat performance of the F-35 that matters.
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Unread post07 Sep 2011, 07:33

If this was from Kopp.. and the APA folks.
Then the F-35 could outnumber any opfor 10 to 1 and they'll still come up with some unbelievable scenario with hypothetical unfunded exaggerated opfor equipment to defeat it.

I still cant understand that even with the Aim-120D KNOWN to part of the F-35.. and that LO will ensure that most opfor jets dont see the F-35 before it sees them.. and that all the mambo with TVC in the sky cannot save you from a 120D or a 9X launched within NEZ... do such analysts still manage to get the press worked up with doomsday scenario's.
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